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Well, as many of you may know, FL has its Reptiles of Concern permit in effect. I have to come up with a bite response plan and critical disaster plans in the event of fire, flood, or hurricane. I also found out I need a key lock on my brand new AP cage...Grrr...but I refuse to post a sign that reads "Danger-Dangerous Reptile" outside of my front door. That just kind of takes the cake! I'm sure my neighbors would love that one!!

Anyway, has anyone ever seen a template for either of these plans on-line somewhere or know of a breeder that would have one in place?

Thanks!
Laura

We need to have all these things just to get the permit for all of them or just the hots?From what I THOUGHT I read on the FFW website documents the locked cages and and signs and bite response was just for the hots.I haven't applied for mine yet,because the Retic I aquired just before Christmas doesn't have a microchip yet.That and I think anyone that can proof of ownership before the law took effect,should be grandfathered in and have the $100 fee waived,because now you have to get same permit as you would if you WERE keeping hots.I think I may actually apply for that as well,the only catch being you can put all your boids on one permit,but if you want hots you have to have one permit for every breed AKA MORE money.I think the permit process is a good idea for what they are trying to do ,which is curtail the number of idiots and people under 18 from owning them.I fear all it will succeed in doing is just make it all the more harder on those of us that do actually keep them responsibly.The ones who weren't/aren't being responsible owners in the 1st place,are just going to keep doing what they do and just bypass getting the permits and keep the snakes anyway.Seriously,a "bite plan" for non-venomous?I just got bit by one of my new red tails last weekend....my plan?
Clean it off put a band-aid over it and make a mental note....don't do THAT again,LOL.
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All large reptiles are not included in the plan, only the 5 or 6 listed as ROC. Yes, the caging requirements and signs are the same as hots. Yes, you need a bite plan and a disaster plan in the event of fire, flood, or hurricane for any ROC. If a ROC bites, it must be reported to FWC, same with escapes, and all inventory changes. You have until July 1 to comply with PIT tagging, but I'm not sure if the intent was to wait until July to apply for the permit. You're supposed to supply your plans to the FWC and have a copy on hand at the facility (house, etc.) You do not need a bond as with hots. I haven't applied for my permit yet, either, but my Burm is already listed on my Class III permit, so I'm not too worried.

Here's a link to the FWC press release:
http://myfwc.com/whatsnew/08/statewide/News_08_X_NewCaptive.htm

Here's the most recent corrected document regarding caging and requirements. It is dated Sept '07. It differentiates between hot and ROC.
http://myfwc.com/commission/2007/Sept07/Documents/68A-6-007CORRECTED.pdf

I have not seen any info about fee waivers. The gov is relying on the ROC permit fees to 1)regulate ownership 2)track nuisance animals 3)research environmental damage caused by ROC in South and West FL. I think it's highly unlikely they will be willing to waive off any of the money they are seeking.

If any else is interested, here is a link to the permit application and questionnaire. You have to scroll down to Wildlife and find Class II and venomous/ROC
http://myfwc.com/permits/index.html#Wildlife

Well after reading all of that I REALLY have a headache.The $10,000 bond is only for people that are EXHIBITING hots and the bite response is is for hots as well.The disaster response is for everyone and I guess rightfully so,I'm just not sure exactly what they want to hear,except that I can stick them all in large rubbermaid bins and head for high ground.?:@)?I was actually thinking about applying for a permit to keep WDB again but they want proof of 1000 hours of experience that has to be verified by atleast one peson who already has a permit for the same kind of snake.Well,when I kept a small pair of WDB a few years back,permits weren't required for them because they were indigenous species,and their are plenty of people who can atest to the fact that I kept them healthy and under lock and key,but none of them had permits,so I guess that leaves me high n dry.I guess I'll just have to concentrate on jumping through all the hoops for my "ROC" and think about the hots later on.
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OK, so I don't need a bite response plan. It's so confusing when the FWC keeps lumping the hots and ROC together. To top it off, the media is doing the same thing.

So what do they mean by 1,000 hours in the same family? Are all pythons and boas in the same family, or is it burms to burms and retics to retics? I have quite a few friends with permits that can write letters. I think there will be a whole letter writing circle!

Good Luck!

The proof of 1000 hours (or a score of atleast 80% on a quiz and 500 hours) is only for keeping hots.The only thing you need for the boids is the disaster response plan,the completed questionare and the $100.I do believe the home (or facility)visit is only for hots as well.
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You are open to inspection by FWC any time you have a wildlife permit. Just having a Class III permit makes you open to inspection. I had an inspection to add an alligator to my Class III. They really weren't concerned about any of my other herps. This was a gator officer from Volusia Co. who just wanted to make sure I wasn't an irresponsible owner keeping a pet gator in my backyard to show off to my friends.

I'm finding the layout of the document very difficult to read...thanks for weeding through this with me. The Central FL Herp Society is having a cookout tomorrow at the Serpentarium. I'm sure this will be a topic of discussion. Even the large reptile pet stores are unsure of what they are required to do. The communication and education surrounding this bill are seriously lacking.

Well,looks like you did the clearing up on that one,lol.I'm actually a little relieved to see that I'm not the only feeling a little dazed and confused by this whole thing.Maybe when this is all said and done,it will end up working out for the best for all of us.
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Here's an easier pdf to read from another forum.
http://myfwc.com/permits/Docs/CaptiveWLRuleChangesSynopsisAndAppendices.pdf