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and here is the photo that in my senility I forgot to post. lol

thats impressive is it breeding? its nice to finally see some morph z's
,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

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what is it? Looks a Todos Santos (herrerai)but knowbody I know has them in their collection

Oops.. don't mean to give out any more spots. LOL!.
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Bluerosy...who shamelessly takes every opportunity he can to post a picture of his Peabino.

Howie,

What is the story on that snake? It is very dark. Is it wild-caught or captive bred?
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Peter Jolles
www.heat-pits.com

Home of TEAM ECC
It's an Inner Circle thing... you wouldn't understand...

Hey guys, i was just goofing around and took a pic off the net of a todos santos island zonata(herrerae) and renamed it a twilight zonata-quite weird that a coral banded king has no coral bands(just a bit of pinkish suffusion anteriorly). almost worthy of a rod serling tale. i think you are right Peter, that no one has any available commercially-at least legally. be fun to work with though, wouldnt it?

i think you are right Peter, that no one has any available commercially-at least legally. be fun to work with though, wouldnt it?

It was not Peter who suggested that, it was me. Peter was asking where to get one. LOL!
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Bluerosy...who shamelessly takes every opportunity he can to post a picture of his Peabino.

i knew i heard it somewhere. lol

i knew i heard it somewhere. lol

Well normally I would care. But for so many reasons I would hate for anyone to confuse me with Peter Jolles.

Howie~ watch out for the crossfire. LOL!
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Bluerosy...who shamelessly takes every opportunity he can to post a picture of his Peabino.

No, I am not interested in that snake. I think it is interesting to look at because I have seen, on some field herp sites, zonata and pyro's that have much more black than the selectively bred snakes we see for sale.

It would have been an unsual snake - much like some (almost) all black and yellow Scarlet King I saw a while ago.

Thanks Howie.
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ECC
www.eastcoastcolubrids.com

Home of TEAM ECC
It's an Inner Circle thing... you wouldn't understand...

There were a few available some time ago from a guy in the northeast but I've lost all contact with him years ago.
Shoulda grabbed 'em up!
:Mark
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There were a few available some time ago from a guy in the northeast but I've lost all contact with him years ago.
Shoulda grabbed 'em up!
:Mark

i didn't think any were around anywhere because they would have been taken illegally. There may be some in secret collections but i have never heard of any being avaliable for sale.
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Bluerosy...who shamelessly takes every opportunity he can to post a picture of his Peabino.

Well they were not taken illegally.
:Mark
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I know of a few that were collected in the late 70's
for zoos in the U.S. and Germany. I've also heard that some of the zoo stock made it into private hands. Now whether those bloodlines are still in existence is the big question?
-Phil
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Stand for something,
or you'll fall for anything!

Phil email me and maybe you can track him down.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

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Stand for something,
or you'll fall for anything!

One breeding pair of "herrerae" being allowed for import into the states along with CITES papers and the whole deal. I believe I saw the article in a "REPTILES" magazine many years ago.

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

One pair is all it took for Crested Geckos, and Pueblan Milks.
-Phil
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Stand for something,
or you'll fall for anything!

I know of a few that were collected in the late 70's
for zoos in the U.S. and Germany. I've also heard that some of the zoo stock made it into private hands. Now whether those bloodlines are still in existence is the big question?

Not that it matters much to me but I do know of some that were taken illegally. It depends where yours trace back to.

The 9 snakes that were taken in the 70's might have perished. Today Todos Santos z. are not as easlity found. Populations had appeared to be at normal levels for many years and then mysteriosly disintigrated. Due to their limited distribution and poulation densities Deleterious Inbreeding depression may have occured and probably explians ther scarcness from those original 'legal' specimens legally taken in the 70's.
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Bluerosy...who shamelessly takes every opportunity he can to post a picture of his Peabino.

I do know that they do exist in private hands in Germany, just like the San Franscisco Garter Snake. It's sad that more San Francisco Garters exist in Germany than all of San Mateo Co., Ca.
-Phil
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Stand for something,
or you'll fall for anything!

I guess what I was trying to put across in my last post( but it got away from me)was that if inbreeding depression is more likely with island pops then wouldn't it be twice as bad for captives animals? I mean they are already inbred in the wild. Since these german herrerai came from the 1970s wouldn't they have "some problems"(?). I might be wrong on this but it seems logical. I guess we will have to talk to the few breeders who have been producing them year after year. I mean we really know nothing about how the captives bred or even if they survived.

I would like to see one person who has bred these successfully over the last 30 years and what the results are. AND I mean the legally collected ones.
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Bluerosy...who shamelessly takes every opportunity he can to post a picture of his Peabino.

Steve Hammack of HISS had at least one, and it was legal(zoo stock?) at his table at one of the florida shows years ago(may have even been as far back as orlando). first and only one(or was it a pair I cant remember) that i ever saw in the flesh.wish i got it.