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I dropped the temps to 62 at night and 69 during the day. I spray twice a day. I split em up and switched them around. I have not seen any tail action (but notice they do cuddle sometimes)I'm going to put them all together (1 male Maruke 1 Female Aru 1 Female Sorong) to see if this would work. I know Jack never got any but hope that this Maruke has less respect for his roomies.

I guess this leaves me with a question. At what point should one give up and split them apart until next season? Would leaving them together cause any problems for future pairings with this male?

What? Your temps are way too low if you are trying to cycle green tree pythons for breeding. Where did you get the temperature infor?

Go to Greg Maxwell's page and read everything he's posted on breeding. You can pay particular attention to this part where the cycling is discussed

They need warm daytime temps...... sounds like you're asking for trouble keeping those guys that low.
Cycling Green Tree Pythons

You're right....I did have the day time temps at 78 degrees for the longest so tried dropping them down a bit. They were conditioned before dropping them that low. I've not noticed any ill health and they are all eating and defecating as usual. I will put the heat on the same timer as the lights so then I'm looking at low 60s' (which Sir Maxwell advises is within the boundries of safe "conditioned" keeping) and then back up to high 70's. What about boring them beyond repair by keeping them together for long periods of time?

Daytime highs in the upper 70's is still way too low based on everything I ever read on cycling these animals. As Cathy asked, where did you get your information regarding temps? Were you told to drop your daytime temps or are you just trying something new?

Bart

Oh hell, I don't know. I think I read somewhere, maybe in People Magazine to "Always provide them with normal daytime temperatures of 78 - 89." Can I go now?

Kenny-These are things that I've read from your other posts, you are new to GTP's (early Sept.?),you have alot of money invested in them, and you had a possible URI in your collection less than a month ago. You should investigate Cathy and Bart's suggestion that your temps are to low. My breeding pairs have a basking area at all times where they can warm up, that is over 90 degrees. They seldom use it,but there is also a gradient between mid 60's and over 90 at all times. Normal cycling can cause otherwise healthy GTP's to get res. infections. I personally would not put more than a pair together especially if it were my first breeding atempt. Some animal get aggressive during the breeding season, it is harder to feed animal that are together and they can expose each other if they get an resp.infection. not to mention it is harder to monitor what is going on. Robin

Ok...that was closer to what I had hoped for. I will assume that there is not going to be an issue with keeping them together for a few more months if there is no activity. I'll stick to Greg's book and advice inthe future.

OK, I heard the messages. I do have a hard time being questioned though....and I never ignore advice. I realized that what I was attempting to do was not practiced by anyone else and that it was aborted after reading Cathy's response.

RI was never an issue with my guy....it was a shed reaction. He shed last night and was hunting before I hit the sack.

Temps were too low during the day but only for a few days as having it at 80 - 85 degrees was not working. I have it set back up to 80 degrees starting at 7:00am and bringing it back down to 65 starting at 7:00pm.

The snakes have been monitored well since I have had them (they are in my bedroom, wife can't be more thrilled) and the feeding is controlled with spacers and timing. Trust that I do have alot of money invested and that I will be protecting my best interests.

I will go ahead with my plans with the three to give that a shot. I can read by their night time activities if there is a problem and make any necessary adjustments. Call it calculated experimentation on my part.

The advice is appreciated. Sorry if I ruffled the community's feathers.

I was hoping someone else would chime in here because you obviously have a problem with what I say. Not sure how someone can have a hard time being questioned about something they know little about.

If there has been no activity between the pair, it is possible there may be a huge issue keeping them together for a few more months. You could add stress to them and place them at a higher risk of RI. An even bigger concern would be one may become aggressive towards the other. My advice would be to separate them and perhaps re-introduce in a month to see if anything changes.

Keep the daytime temps normal. I recommend a warm side in the upper 80’s. You say you set them back up to 80…still too low in my opinion. There are countless reasons why your animals may not be hooking up. Temps would be one of the last factors I would consider at this point.

If you are relatively new to chondros as it appears, I would suggest you keep them for a few years before pairing them. Get to know the animals first. You can read books and websites forever but they won’t give you the first hand knowledge I feel is essential.

Now you can take this advice for consideration and ask for other opinions which I am sure many member would be more than happy to offer, or you can, again, let you pride get in the way, respond with some sarcastic remark, and become the next great train wreck in this community. My guess is that you would have already received additional advice had your responses in this and other threads been a bit less arrogant.

Good luck,
Bart

Excellent post Bart, I agree wholeheartedly!

When I read the first post in this thread I was thinking there were typos involving the temps, I just couldn't believe that he really was using those low temps.

It took many years of trial and error to get these snakes to breed and then many failed incubation attempts before the protocal for incubation was finally figured out. I am grateful that those before me did all the hard work and were then so generous to share the information so that others could also be successful. I have been mentored by the best and without their support and help would be next to nowhere.

I doubt we will ever know all there is to know about these guys, and encourage further learning wherever that may come from. If I wanted to succeed as a breeder though I'd sure as heck try to copy the methods that have already been proven before going off the page to try to add to what others have done before us.

Cheers to all...that's the response I was looking for!! I'll be sure to post the outcome with pictures if/when they occure....even if they should surcome to my ignorance/arrogance. You do have the right not not read them. I do love the passion Ya'll have!

Sounds like we've got a mad scientist on our hands.
Maybe he's just a forum shock jock.
jsc
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