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so as far as morphs go with BRBs hyops are seemingly the most common... does anyone know of any anerythristic BRBs or have any pictures?

are hypos the only known morphs out there or are the Bulleyes and pearls, considered morphs too?
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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

Anery is a proven morph. Bullseye is a phase, probably polygenic and hopefully with line breeding will get better. Pearls are unproven at this time, BUT, since the entire litter was more or less the same, good ods there is something there, even if it's a phase instead of a morph, will just continue line breeding. Also there is Calico, also not proven but am working on it..

Anery...
Without flash

With flash

with a normal, without flash

with a normal with flash

The Pearls...
Apricot

Aubergine

Akoya

Biwa

Oyster

Pearl

Baroque

Pistachio

And Fluffy the Calico









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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

OOppss, forgot to include a bullseye pic....

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Hehe you typed faster then me Dave.
And you not only covered everything I said but did it with pictures to lol.

Love the Calico pics BTW.

Sean.
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1.1 BRB
1.1 Triple Het TPRS's
0.1 Silver TPRS
1.1 Amel Bloodred Corns
0.1 Abbott Okeetee Corn
0.1 Blizzard Bloodred Corn
1.1 Thayeri Kingsnakes
0.1 Reeve's Turtle
0.2 Amstaff's
1.0 Pudytat

LOL....

Honestly I was wondering if anyone else would get an answer in first!!! Musta seen the original post right after it went up, it did take a minute or two to type and select pics.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

I don't even want to respond to your post cuz you had pearls in there and those are so beautiful and I want one so bad, even if they were available next year (I know it's a while) I won't have any money or is it left cuz saving up for a male hypo ain't quite looking as good as I expected so what's the words I'm looking for, oh yeah lone female het hypo again and that will put me at 1.3 in the hypo project and now if I can only get some Mickey x Savannah (hope you don't keep many of those but I know I would cuz they will make some good ones and some Phoenix and Dot down the road if you choose to do so. I don't know about you but I'm getting excited Fluffy looked awesome Dave and I wonder how white is that white cuz it looks pretty white from here
Bob

looks like snow!!!!! Just ask Mike, he got to see him in person!!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

are all those snake yours?

i did kinda rember seeing pics of an anery BRB just couldnt rember where... i started to thing i just made that up... i didnt think it was on you site though, could be wrong
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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

Yup, each and every one!!!! And they are all on the collection page, just verified it!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

ohh wow yes it is sorry i missed that...
do you know what brian sharps web site is?
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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

np, there are a lot of animals up there and a few that I've sold and need to remove.

Brian Sharps site
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

As far as standard genetic inheritable traits Hypo is the most common.

As far as Anery BRB's there are a couple of lines of them which I believe are compatible but I'm not 100% sure on that. The two I am familliar with are Brian Sharp's line and Robert Seib's line. You can see pictures of them on Sharp's website and in Seib's photogallery. Keep in mind that aneries from either source lose the silver coloration as they grow and the silver turns to brown. Although they do keep the white crescents.

Hypo's and Aneries are the only, too my knowledge, proven inheritable genetic morphs currently. However we have some unproven ones that appear to be genetically inheritable like the pearls. The calico traits will hopefully prove out to be genetic also. In addition there are numerous traits that are not simply inheritable but which are line bred for a specific look/appearance. These include eclipse, blush eclipse, bullseyes, high orange, high red, high yellow, dark, stripe, and I'm sure a few others as well.

The term morphs is used in many different ways by different people but in general any proven simple inheritable genetic trait, like hypo and anery, is a morph. The linebred appearances will either be called phases or morphs depending on who you talk to. The unproven apearances/traits are called just that, "unproven".

Hope this was helpful.

Sean.
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1.1 BRB
1.1 Triple Het TPRS's
0.1 Silver TPRS
1.1 Amel Bloodred Corns
0.1 Abbott Okeetee Corn
0.1 Blizzard Bloodred Corn
1.1 Thayeri Kingsnakes
0.1 Reeve's Turtle
0.2 Amstaff's
1.0 Pudytat

I may be out of some loop but as far as I know, hypomelanism is the only morph with a proven pattern of inheritance. Meaning, hypos to normals, hets to hets, hets to hypos, and hypos to hypos have all been paired. In each pairing, the results support a simple recessive inheritance pattern.

To my knowledge, the pnly one who has consistently produced anery BRBs is Brian Sharp and he has only done it by mating suspected hets to suspected hets. In 2006, I crossed a hypo to an anery expecting to get all normal-looking animals that were double heterozygous for hypo- and anery-. To my surprise, two anery females were born with this clutch.

Anerythrism may very well be a recessive trait. But it hasn't been proven. Saying it is kind of trivializes the 12 years I spent proving out the hypo gene. I really don't think it should be called "proven" until it has been proven. If there have been pairings that I've missed, please let me know.
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Mike Lockwood
www.tooscaley.com

Mike I may have unintentionally misrepressented the "proven" status of anery. You obviously have more specific information on it's history then I do. I only said proven because I have seen it listed as a simple recessive but unfortunately I can't remeber for sure where it was. I was assuming that the listing was accurate but from what you just said I suspect it was an exageration on the listers part.

Sorry about that,

Sean.
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1.1 BRB
1.1 Triple Het TPRS's
0.1 Silver TPRS
1.1 Amel Bloodred Corns
0.1 Abbott Okeetee Corn
0.1 Blizzard Bloodred Corn
1.1 Thayeri Kingsnakes
0.1 Reeve's Turtle
0.2 Amstaff's
1.0 Pudytat

Many people have referred to the anery gene as simple recessive. And, like I said, it might well be. But as far as I know, it hasn't been extensively proven.

No worries, my skin is pretty thick. Comes from 11 years of teaching. I'm not going to go running from the forum or anything
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Mike Lockwood
www.tooscaley.com

so right now the anery gene is UNproven correct? but from the sounds of it everthing that is known about it points it tword a recessive gene, this just hasnt been confirmed 100%?

in other words it most like will prove to be just that, just hasnt YET
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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

LOL I'll leave this one to Mike

In all honesty it sounds like Mike is up to date on the anery projects as much as anyone other then the breeders producing aneries. From what he mentioned above it does not sound like it is behaving as a simple recessive. If it was then you could breed a het to a anery and get roughly 50% anery 50%het anery offspring.

If I was to wager a guess from what Mike described and my VERY limited genetic knowledge I would guess that anery involves more then one gene and that one or more of those genes may result, in it's homozygous form, in a non-viable fetus. That is just a guess and pure speculation though from what little information I have.

Hopefully Mike can answer your question definitively soon.

Sean.
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1.1 BRB
1.1 Triple Het TPRS's
0.1 Silver TPRS
1.1 Amel Bloodred Corns
0.1 Abbott Okeetee Corn
0.1 Blizzard Bloodred Corn
1.1 Thayeri Kingsnakes
0.1 Reeve's Turtle
0.2 Amstaff's
1.0 Pudytat

The hypothetical I posted just above was under the assumption that anery x anery pairings have been done and failed to produce anery offspring. Rereading Mikes post I realized he did not explicitly say that, merely that the only consistent production was coming from suspected het x suspected het.

Didn't want to cause additional confusion. And as I said in original post that hypothetical is just a closest guess from limited knowledge.

Mike or others directly involved with breeding them ar the men/women to ask.

Sean
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1.1 BRB
1.1 Triple Het TPRS's
0.1 Silver TPRS
1.1 Amel Bloodred Corns
0.1 Abbott Okeetee Corn
0.1 Blizzard Bloodred Corn
1.1 Thayeri Kingsnakes
0.1 Reeve's Turtle
0.2 Amstaff's
1.0 Pudytat

lol okay... sorry didnt mean to cause issues just courious is all.

i was kinda hoping to see a BRB that was all silver grey black and white. i think a pure black whie and silver rainbow boa would be gorgeous!!!
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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

There was one posted here a couple months ago.
(Not sure if I should type a smiley face or a sad face at
this point.)

Thanks,
Ed

>>i was kinda hoping to see a BRB that was all silver grey black and white. i think a pure black whie and silver rainbow boa would be gorgeous!!!

lol good to know there is one but good luck finding it right
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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

Just say the word Ed and I'll post that puppy

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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

het thanks bob your the man!! is that your snake? its beautiful
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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

Not only is that NOT his, it's NOT an anery. It's a pic of a normal BFRB that was doctored to look like an anery. A hoax perpetrated on the forum a while back.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

on topic for the brief moment. No way in hell would I own an ugly anery brb. Hopefully I will be getting my male in '09 but might have to wait until '10
Bob

thats weird i rember seeing the "confession" post but i didnt fully know what that all was about because i didnt see the original picture, and now i become a victam lol too funny
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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

>>Not only is that NOT his, it's NOT an anery. It's a pic of a normal BFRB that was doctored to look like an anery. A hoax perpetrated on the forum a while back.
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>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>Dave Colling
>>
>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
>>
>>
>>
>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>
>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Dave,

I take it he was banned for this? Explains why I never see much from him or why he never posts any other photos..
I missed the hoax portion who found out?
And what was his angle if any?
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Jason A.
"Long time Herper, first year Breeder `07."
My 2008 Care Sheet & The BRB Stats. Username: brb@kingsnake.com

>>>>Not only is that NOT his, it's NOT an anery. It's a pic of a normal BFRB that was doctored to look like an anery. A hoax perpetrated on the forum a while back.
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>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dave Colling
>>>>
>>>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>>>
>>>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>>>26.49 BRB
>>>>20.21 BCI
>>>>And those are only the breeders
>>>>
>>>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
>>
>>Dave,
>>
>>I take it he was banned for this? Explains why I never see much from him or why he never posts any other photos..
>>I missed the hoax portion who found out?
>>And what was his angle if any?
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>>Jason A.
>>"Long time Herper, first year Breeder `07."
>>My 2008 Care Sheet & The BRB Stats. Username: brb@kingsnake.com
>>

Found it
Found it
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Jason A.
"Long time Herper, first year Breeder `07."
My 2008 Care Sheet & The BRB Stats. Username: brb@kingsnake.com

Not banned, just ignored!!

just a kid and thought it would be fun to see who would fall for it. IMO would not have been bad but he let it go on for quite some time. Then after the hubub died down about it he admitted it was a prank. Final straw for me was his response to this post from Mike - forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1444305,1444363

The entire thread if you care to read forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1444305,1444305
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

but then again, that's a photoshoped hoax!!!!

These are real ones....

Tawney, Anery female from 2006:

Popeye, Anery male from 2007:

Popeye with a normal female for comparison:

Tawney and Popeye together:

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

so tawney is an older anery so i guess as they get older they get more brown. i wonder why that happens.

anerithristic mean lacking or no red pigment right? well brown isnt red so i guess that would make sence....

still a beautifull snake dont get me wrong, and that popeye looks amazing in a few of those shots with flash
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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

Exactly, Anery is the lack of red. IMO there is LOTS of room for selective breeding. Basically all the aneries are still fully related to the original animal(s). Just as we have already seen just the tip of the iceberg with hypos, outcrossing the gene to the right lines could produce some truly amazing animals. Will be working on that!!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

awesome and good to hear.

this may sound crazy considering my lack of knowledge and experence with keeping and breeding snakes... but i would love to somehow be involeved in the anery rainbow boa project
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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

even if i where to consider breeding, im sure jumping right into a selective breeding program proving morphs prolly isnt the best place to start lol
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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

Probably not the best place agreed!!!!

IMO, start with some normal BRB's, GET NICE ONES! Once you have them breeding, then you can work towards morphs. By then prices will be lower and easier to get into.

Not a bad place to be in breeding Aneries now but you'd likely not have diverse stock to provide unrelated and/or semi unrelated babies.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

yeah its out of the question for many reasons. but either way im still really excited about anerithristic ranbow boas!!!!
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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

Just got off the phone with Brian Sharp and here's his basic history....

A WC female produced a litter (not sure if it was captured gravid or not) in that litter was one anery male and a small number of other babies. Brian bought the group, raised up the male and bred it back to it's mother and got roughly 50/50 anery and normal looking (het) babies. So far he's done only het to anery breedings and each litter has produced roughly 50/50 splits. He did try a anery/anery breeding last year but the female slugged out.

Bottom line is there is one final coffin nail missing, the anery to anery results. IMO, Brian has done more than enough to prove within a reasonable doubt that his anery line is simple recessive. The final anery to anery results will prove it beyond any doubt.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

This is a really good discussion and I'm glad to see these topics being brought up here.

Dave, I certainly agree that an anery x anery cross would shed a lot of light on this subject. And, I really do hope that the anery gene turns out to be recessive because that means I have a hypo male here who is also a carrier of the anery gene.

I disagree that Brian Sharp has done more than enough to prove the gene out. Nothing against him. He's a well-respected breeder and knows much more than I do about these animals. But the fact remains that he has really only attempted one cross. Not only has he only attempted one cross (anery to "het", but he's been breeding the same two animals together. There has been absolutely no experimentation done with this gene yet.

My issue with saying that this gene is proven is not only personal. When we say this, we guarantee the behavior of the gene. For the amount of money that's being charged for anerys, I don't think it's proper to say that the gene is proven. It isn't. The hypos cost a lot of money. But not one hypo was ever sold for that much cash until the all test crosses were performed.

If someone wants to spend this kind of money on an unproven gene because they want to risk getting into a breeding project early, then that is their decision. I'll be the first to congratulate them if it pays off. But, it's too early to say that the anery gene is simple recessive.
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Mike Lockwood
www.tooscaley.com

interesting point, i dont know enough to comment but i will however take credit for this thread! lol that was all me.... well and bob and dave and ed and sean and you mike.........
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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

after talking to Mike last I decided to get a hypo and start breeding and having a few litters myself every year (brb and bci) nothing big but everything is special and I can't wait
Bob

Sorry to duck out of a discussion just as it's getting good. I may be away from the net until next Wedensday. If I'm able, I 'll try to check in on the forum.
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Mike Lockwood
www.tooscaley.com

...We won't hold it against you this time

Sean.
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1.1 BRB
1.1 Triple Het TPRS's
0.1 Silver TPRS
1.1 Amel Bloodred Corns
0.1 Abbott Okeetee Corn
0.1 Blizzard Bloodred Corn
1.1 Thayeri Kingsnakes
0.1 Reeve's Turtle
0.2 Amstaff's
1.0 Pudytat