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Here is a poor digital shot of what was thought at the time by the breeder to be polyzona. These were later found to be misidentified, and were actually L.t.abnorma.

enjoy!, ~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Very Cool Doug...love your pictures from the vault.
Nathan

Thanks Nathan, I know you like those photos from the back of the file cabinet pulled out now and then!..LOL

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

dmong please call me

n/p
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Great looking animal. I could be wrong here, but is there a chance you got the subspecies backwards? Maybe Stott, Jeff, Nate, or Shannon will jump in here, but I thought the snakes were originally identified as abnorma, but later found to be polyzona. Regardless, they're cool snakes!

-Cole

I've talked extensively with Scott Ballard about this, and Scott fully agrees. It seems that he(J. Mabe) had both of these ssp. mixed up, and his abnorma were polyzona,...and his polyzona were abnorma. I saw BOTH of these ssp. of his at a show in '95. So i.e. now that the "labels" were both switched around on Shannon's(and they were), AND these, they should BOTH be correctly identified.

The animal I posted looks virtually identicle to Scott's un-related animals too with 29-30 RBR. "Keying out" respectively at the high end of band-count. Also, the adult parents I saw when I bought the hatchlings were clones of the neonates, with heavy tipping, yet staying vividly colored, and not "muddied" and suffused with dark pigment. I chatted with Scott just last night about these animals, specifically the one posted, and he varified all of this as well.

Confusing?....................you betcha'!!!

take care buddy!, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Ah.... That makes more sense! I get it now - thanks for clearing it up! LOL I've got a Mabe line male polyzona (Jimmy's "abnorma". He's a looker, with a classic broken snout band (nasal blotches, really!). Anywhoo, sweet snake and thanks for the info.

-Cole

yes but his "abnorma" are actually polyzona and his polyzona were abnorma x polyzona cause I think he only ever had one real abnorma.

Shannon

Can you post a pic of that bad boy?......the sibling to the one I posted had nasal patches as well!........wish to heck I still had them!..GRRR!

thanks Cole, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

I'll need to take some photos of him. I've only got crappy, blurred ones.

-Cole