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Rattlesnake Round Up- Sweetwater, TX

alternarush Jan 22, 2008 08:47 PM

Hey, is there anyone on this forum who is actively fighting rattlesnake roundups? The reason I ask is...

My inlaws tape cooking shows for my wife and I, and they taped this show called "American Festivals" or something like that because they thought I'd like it, as it had to do with snakes.

Well, it was a whole show about the sweetwater round up. Along with the usual toothless, moronic, hickfest crap, and the expected glut of misleading and false information was actual footage of the monkey-cowboys catching rattlers.

This was done in an appaulingly cruel way and was difficult to watch, but that is not the interesting part...

During the rattlesnake hunt one fat, uneducated, monkey-man walked through the shot with a pump sprayer like the ones you would use to spray pesticide at your house, or say GASOLINE into snake burrow.

I have the tape and I'm sure the food network has more of the hunt on the B-Reel or uncut footage. I would sure love it if these snake killers would get a ticket for dumping gas etc.

Anyway... just thought I'd throw that out there.

Dan
Alterna Rush the Movie

Replies (25)

TimCole Jan 22, 2008 11:32 PM

Dan,
I am putting together a website to expose all of the lies and politics, and lack of enforcement by government agencies concerning round-ups. I would love to have a copy.
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Brad Anderson Jan 23, 2008 05:26 PM

GOOD LUCK TIM!!! I've been talking down rattlesnake roundups in Okla for 35 years to no avail. 99% of the people still have the caveman mentality of the only good rattler is the one on a hatband or boots. I think its hopeless the attitudes will ever change, especially in Waynoka, Okeene, Sweetwater, Freer etc.
REDNECK MORONS!!! Just my 2 cents. BA

swwit Jan 23, 2008 06:08 PM

While I'm with you in that the round-ups are bad. I disagree with the name calling mentality. Calling people hicks, toothless, fat and uneducated is wrong. After all a lot of herpers we are friend with could have one or more of the characteristics you describe. I think your point could have been made in a better manner.
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Steve W.

alternarush Jan 23, 2008 07:22 PM

Tim Wrote:
"Dan,
I am putting together a website to expose all of the lies and politics, and lack of enforcement by government agencies concerning round-ups. I would love to have a copy."
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Tim Cole

AWESOME. THE TAPE IS YOURS.

Steve W. Wrote:
"While I'm with you in that the round-ups are bad. I disagree with the name calling mentality. Calling people hicks, toothless, fat and uneducated is wrong. After all a lot of herpers we are friend with could have one or more of the characteristics you describe. I think your point could have been made in a better manner."
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Steve W.

Steve,

Good point, I guess I was fired up after watching all those snakes getting crushed, tossed and fried. You're right and I will try to be more respectful when posting. I'm sure quite a few people think of us in that same manor since we keep and search for snakes. Sorry to all who were offended.

DAN

swwit Jan 24, 2008 05:06 PM

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>>Steve,
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>> Good point, I guess I was fired up after watching all those snakes getting crushed, tossed and fried. You're right and I will try to be more respectful when posting. I'm sure quite a few people think of us in that same manor since we keep and search for snakes. Sorry to all who were offended.
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>>DAN

I kind of figured that. I understand. I've been a road rager of sorts myself. lol
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Steve W.

antelope Jan 23, 2008 07:44 PM

LOL! but true, I am missing a tooth or two, just not up front! and I must admit, the weight isn't just falling off as it used to! I would focus on the unknown secondary kill those bottles are killing, everyone knows that rattlesnakes are not the only things in burrows or dens.
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Todd Hughes

stevenxowens792 Jan 23, 2008 09:02 PM

I know others may comment on certain words used, but I think we all understand that ignorance is the biggest threat to Rattlesnakes and other creatures for that matter.

The only way to get through to these folks is to have Rascal Flats make a song about saving rattlesnakes and then make a "Walker, Texas Ranger" in an episode where there are no more rattlesnakes, except two being held captive. The good state of Texas is in Chaos...Mice, Rats and Rabbits are running rampit, and eating crops and devastating land. Then they magically save the Rattlesnakes (via Chuck Norris) and then critters start tapering off. The farms are safe and Walker saves the day again.

Even after all this they still may not get it.

Best Wishes,

SXO792

dustyrhoads Jan 24, 2008 04:21 PM

In my opinion, one of the main reasons snakes are treated that way is because they cannot scream in protest when their bodies are tortured alive, the way a puppy or kitten can when they feel physical pain. This leads some people to believe that snakes are heartless, and without any feelings (which reinforces what most people are taught by their fearful but well-intentioned parents)...Well, any of us who have given an antibiotic shot to a snake has seen them flinch, so we can obviously squash that myth right away. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but I'm staging my point...

I've often thought it would be neat to make a CGI-animated short film, demonstrating a simulation of EXACTLY what happens at a rattlesnake roundup. Everything would be exactly accurate except
for one little change; we would substitute puppies for the rattlesnakes. People could see them strung up by the neck, taunted, tossed into a pit while landing on hundreds of other puppies, having their tails chopped off while still alive, defecating and urinating all over each other, skinned, decapitated in front of children, sprayed -- suffocating & sopping with gasoline, etc. etc. Hearing puppyies scream in agony and seeing them physically tortured would probably wake a few people up, don't you think.

Better yet, why don't the HCU hold a first annual Puppy Roundup?
Something like this would REALLY call some of those supporters, facilitators (whether by action or inaction), and legislators on their hypocrisy. And if it's legal with rattlesnakes, then why not puppies? Okay...of course, I say this somewhat in jest, but I think it would take this type of wake-up call to bring about change.

We can't win the world over with snakes. We know that.

Kids are taught from day one to fear and hate snakes. No matter how nicely we ask, people aren't going to care about snakes and start protecting them. So, we've got to approach the problem from a different mindset, a different angle, completely 180 degrees from where we instinctively would approach it.

Einstein said, "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."

So, unless every snake loses its teeth, grows long eyelashes, and purrs like a kitten -- we won't be able to bring about any real change trying to make people fall in love with snakes. Just my $0.02.

DR

bobassetto Jan 24, 2008 08:46 PM

doesn't this happen in some asian countries????.....i have film of asian resturants where you can pick out your meal, dog /cat....not unlike picking out a lobster....it also show how they are dispatched and prepared.....i thaught behavioral science i used this in a unit dealing with human's use of animals and comparision of cultures....

bobassetto Jan 24, 2008 08:47 PM

i was in a rush......alternarush!!!!!

Coach-TE Jan 23, 2008 09:45 PM

Dan,
Got my scheduel. I'm working 3/1 and 3/2. Off the following 2 weekends. (Tom)

alternarush Jan 24, 2008 08:29 AM

Do you think Chuck Norris would go snake hunting with us for the movie?

Tom, I'll aim for the 15th/16th. The 8th is my birthday, so my family will want me home.

The museum guys are only there on weekdays, so if you want to come to Philly it will have to be on friday or monday. Do you have the 14th or the 17th off? Or even the 7th or the 10th? Let me know if you want to go.

DAN

alternarush Jan 24, 2008 08:43 AM

NOT LUNCH!
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bobassetto Jan 24, 2008 10:00 AM

i live there.............

alternarush Jan 24, 2008 05:05 PM

I'm going to film the alterna holotype there.

DAN
Alterna Rush the Movie

alternarush Jan 25, 2008 07:21 PM

Hey, I had a thought. In the round-up show on food network, they kept saying how the Jaycees were celebrating the western diamond back with the round up... What if we could convince them, through level headed diplomacy, to do a N0 KILL round-up?!
WE COULD ALL JOIN FORCES. Jaycees and herpers united!

They could still do all the stuff they do, save killing and eating them, and then the snakes would be RELEASED AFTERWARD.
The public would still get to meet the rattlers and learn about them, but no environmental impact.

AND, I was thinking... each of the snakes could be tagged or marked in some way, so that certain individuals could be recognized year to year. Herpetologists could record size, weight, and other info and learn about the longevity etc. of the snakes. Wouldn't it be cool to see the same snakes every year and see how much they've grown?

AND, We could set up a sterile, scientific environment for venom collection, and ACTUALLY USE the venom collected at the shows for antivenin production.

AND, Since the snakes wouldn't be killed every year, the population would grow and so would the average size of individual snakes. That is one of the things everyone likes to see... a huge diamond back.

AND, we could all participate. Herpers, public, jaycees. More money, more publicity, everybody is happy.

What do you think?

DAN
alternarushthemovie

jcraft75 Jan 26, 2008 10:16 AM

Unfortunately, most people prefer to see the rattlers like they are depicted in this e-mail that has been widely circulated here in Texas...

GOTTA LOVE TEXAS !

Patterson Drilling, Abilene , TX yard--- doing some cleanup around the yard.
The forklift driver picked up a 'pit' (10 ft by 10 ft by 30 ft), set it back down and called the office.
'I need some people out here with shotguns'. Three men showed up.
As many got away as were killed----62.

swwit Jan 27, 2008 11:34 AM

The whole idea in general is great. The only problem I can see is that may have an environmental impact in a negative way if the snakes are all released in the same place or far from where they where originally caught. But who knows.
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Steve W.

antelope Jan 27, 2008 10:01 PM

Back in the day,(early 70's?) I remember they had a $$ prize for most species and best overall species in Freer, I do not know if they still do that today. Mexican milk snakes always won. If there was another way to show the people the snakes without the violence, and return them to there proper place, that would be good, but very expensive I would imagine. It would be something to be able to take the venue down a different path...

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Todd Hughes

lbenton Jan 28, 2008 01:54 PM

It also does not address the method of take.. gassing den sites is destructive to many species, not just herps.

I would be OK if they just made a strong effort to enforce current regulations on dumping gasoline into the ground.

Lance
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Coach-TE Jan 25, 2008 08:23 PM

The weekend 3/15-3/17 would work.

alternarush Jan 26, 2008 09:36 AM

I knew you'd say that.... I wanted to post this earlier, but I forgot. I can't take the 17th off because of spring break. It will have to be the 14th thru 16th or the previous weekend. Sorry sorry sorry.

DAN

blakemolone Jan 26, 2008 11:04 AM

How Hard would it be for herpers to set up a roundup like Alterna rush said? I think its a great idea and deserves a try!

blakemolone Jan 26, 2008 11:05 AM

and I live in Oklahoma and theres tons of roundups there every year

mldolan Mar 27, 2008 08:41 AM

while i vehemently disagree with the inhumane and environmentally unsound methods used to capture the snakes, and the carnival-esque atmosphere of these roundups further perpetuating misinformation and cruel treatment of these beautiful animals. rattlesnake is darn tasty. I wouldn't get meat from these places of course. but as a hunter, rattlesnake (along with squirrel, rabbit etc is on my list of tasty critters. blackball me if you want but being from south florida, gator, eastern diamondback, etc are on the menu. now that the big pythons and boas have established viable breeding colonies in the everglades (and are considered an invasive species) I'd expect to see them start showing up in freezers pretty soon too. I know we regard our own snakes as pets. (id never eat my own python), but once introduced into the wild and breeding, they are about as much a pet as a similarly sized alligator. plus with all the hysteria going on about how burmese pythons are gonna take over the southern half of america (BS i know). letting it be known that they are being harvested here for food and leather might calm the hysteria a bit, with the added bonus of relieving the pressure of over harvesting in their native habitats. imagine if no more boas and pythons (of whatever breed is established in fla) were taken from their native habitat? that would be a good thing right? babies for pets, adults for other things, all born and bred in the good old US of A. pardon my rambling, i've been up all night with a sick BP and have three snakes in shed right now so i'm not very coherent. but please tell me if i'm an idiot.
hope i don't offend anyone.
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..1 Edmund Slackbladder, Mexican Kingsnake
..1 El Diablo "They haven't built a cage I can't get out of" Pueblan Milksnake
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