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Out there??? Any photos???

J.D.

Kevin Enge has my male now, but do not know if he is working with the amel strain or not anymore. I know I am not, but heres a photo.

When I think about the "normal" color / pattern it makes sense, still very eye catching.
Albino easterns are one of the snakes I'm never sure of. Are they "all eastern"? I don't doubt they are, but have never been sure.

Yeah, no one's been able to proven if they are "all eastern".

And most people just assume anything labeled as an "albino eastern" isn't infact "all eastern".
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
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^ Updated 11/29

Proof to me at this point....look at the hets. While we can continue to argue the origins of the line(in Nigrita territory)the breedings has created a more "average" chain king. I am hoping to cross it into the wide-banded GA easterns this year....sorry to all you locale nuts,lol. J

were typical eastern kings. this proves nothing but strengthens the past arguments in the affirmative as to whether the albino was an eastern king or not. on the other hand, given the location of the original wild caught albino(somewhere near lookout mtn in tennessee-as per kevin Mccurley who purchased the albino directly from the individual who caught it in the wild), I would venture a pretty good guess that there is nigra(no longer nigrita) blood in them thar albino eastern kings. On the other hand, who knows for sure???? And to throw a monkey wrench into the whole argument there was supposedly a different albino eastern king individual caught in north carolina, which would mean there are true albino eastern kings out there. of course if caught in the western part of the state the nigra argument once more percolates. so once again, who the heck knows for sure??

There have been posts about another albino, but I think either it didnt exist or MINIMALLY it hasnt been reproduced YET. It will take 2 generations for us to see any albinos from that line....and in another 2 generations you wont be able to tell where this original line came from(even if you can now). So, for now, there is only 1 line. It has been outcrossed and both the albinos and hets look like 100% chain kings--for what its worth.J

There are several different species that I'll see a morph of that I've never known of, it is always interesting to hear about them. I appreciate it!

I also wondered about this and TN laws regarding native herps.....
yet they say they actually purchased a wc native TN snake....
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:Mark
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Jeff wasn't there something wrong with the one line of "albino easterns" out there... Where babies would die with what seemed to be no cause at all? Didn't you have a male like that?

And last time I talked to Will Still, he was working with crossing wide banded GA easterns into the albino line, but then I think he dumped the project onto someone else.

Regardless, I'm always gonna think anything labeled "albino eastern" isn't such, which is why I hesitate clicking on that type of post/ad. I'll still to the normals.

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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
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^ Updated 11/29

But now I have 3-4 that are great. I think outcrossing is only going to help this line. Who cares if they are "pure" as long as they look good??

>>>Who cares if they are "pure" as long as they look good??

that sir is a BOLD statement here in the land of splitters good luck,,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

Most people here know that I am not serious. Some people you just cant make happy unless you can tell them what board something was found under. When we start dealing with morphs I think the first thing thrown out the window is locale. Outcrossing should be the first thing you do....to improve the eventual bottlenecking of genes that is morph breeding. Out crossing to make them look better, be them more "normal" easterns or even into "wide banded" lines. As long as they are honestly represented.....big difference in doing this "cross" than say to a honduran or something...J

yes i agree
hondurensis,polyzona,oligzona,stuarti close enough i mean they are just morphs?right? lets just callum ALL hondurans, same thang.
,,,,,,,thomas
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

Not breeding any but the museum that I work for (as the Living Collections Herpetologist) has an amel L. getula. He is an old male who lives in my back up area (we usualy showcase "wild type" phenotypes and abnormal specimens like him live off exhibit). I will try to take some pictures and find his collection data information.

hi ther Phil, didnt we meet down at the daytona show? Please post some pics or at least send some to me. Many on the forum have trouble believing that there exists or even ever existed an amel eastern king. be neat to see, pickled or not. Howie

Yeah we met in Daytona. The sticticeps is eating great and getting bigger by the day. I will get some pictures up by mid next week. We also have a w/c NC amel A. piscivorus, he is high yellow without the red that you see in some other amels of his species. We also have the only known melanistic A. contortrix as well (you can see pic of him in Bechtel's Reptile and Amphibian Variants: Colors, Patterns and Scales book). He has passed away and is preserved in our reptile collection off site. Come on by one day and I will introduce you to our critters.

I definitely need to make the trip down there to see the museum/and I gotta see pics. very curious to see the sticticeps as well. and dont be shy about planning an april/may trip this way . we can poke around for kings.