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Has anyone ever bred any interesting hybrids? For instance, a Blackthroat/Water Monitor cross? Is it even possible? Anyone have any pictures? Thanks

There are lots out there.
I bred a Prasinus to a Beccari, a friend breeds his Melinus to Indicus and then there are the cross and triple cross "Argus" types. Caudolineatus/Gilleni, Glauerts/Pillbarra, Red and Yellow Ackies...a while back was a claim of a Slavadorii/Salvator.

I used to think ahh big deal, then I wanted to buy pure Flavirufus...not that easy with all of the crosses out there.
I have changed my beliefs on crosses!

Mike

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Mike's Monitors!

Your confusing monitors with people. First, there is nothing wrong with crossing(hybrids)in monitors. The problem is with some people who intentionally or unintentionally mislabel them.

In the case of your flavis. After I stopped breeding them, they flat disappeared. Leaving nothing but crosses. I am again producing pure flavis.

So your beef is really with those people. You must ask yourself, what do the monitors have to do with it.

You did not mentioned it, but I am responsible for many crosses(that you mentioned) But, some occur by folks, who do not even realize they are breeding two different species. This is very common. Or people who flat do not care. This world is full of all manner of folks.

This has even occurred in zoos with mangrove types, doreanus types and gouldi types. They did not do it on purpose. They just did not know, what they had was different.

As you know, new species are discribed all the time. The reality is, no new species are being created. We are just giving the animals that exsist, different names. Which boils down to this, what was not hybrids or crosses ten, fifteen years ago, is today. And will be even more tomorrow.

So the actual point is not to like it or dislike it, it does and WILL occur, the concern is how me manage it. If its in the forefront, it can be managed. But if its hidden, then who knows what your getting.

When so-called experts(suedo purists) make this subject about good and bad(choosing to like or dislike it), it really is making it a very harmful situation. Then people polarize. Those that think its bad, may hide it. Its going to happen and we really do not want it hidden.

Crossing is not bad, but hiding it is. ARe you getting this.

Lastly, no one has to like it, just as no one has to like all monitors, or all individuals, or all species. But you do not have to make what you do not like, A BAD THING. Please consider this. Cheers

But thanks for your input.
Mike

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Mike's Monitors!

Thanks for the replies guys.

I was also wondering... Is anyone out there trying to domesticate monitors, or do other things similar to what has been done with livestock or other animals? For instance, the lion/tiger hybrid that gets bigger that both of its parents due to staggered growth inhibitor genes.

I know the majority of the monitor community keeps monitors out of interest for what it is, a fairly intelligent lizard, but I'm just wondering if there's anyone out there trying to create something new...

In other words, is there anyone out there trying to create a monitor equivalent of a "liger" or trying to go from "Canine lupins to Canine familiaris"?

Thanks

Among the same species there are many crosses or hybrids. I have a flaviargus, and I have an albig that was created by crossing a female BT with a cape banded WT, then crossing the cape WT back to the female offspring (I didnt do that, Rob Faust did), shes my little girl at 6ft 8 inches long and 6 years old.

Ligers aren't bred for size, that is ridiculous. everybody knows that Ligers are bred for their abilities in magic.
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robyn@proexotics.com

Pro Exotics Reptiles

They have to be either the same species or same complex to crossbreed. water monitors are from a completely different complex than albigularis. If African monitors such as albigs and niloticus or exanthematicus cannot innerbreed, theres not way ant Asian species will innerbreed with an African.
The only Africans that are close enough to breed are niloticus, and ornatus.