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I recently went to the Museum of Natural History here in NYC and, for the longest time, wanted to get a pic of this preserved triangulum. I believe it to be a hondurensis, but am asking the masses. I typically go with my wife and kids or some form of company, and I've never been able to stand there long enough to really oggle at this thing -- until now. Thoughts anyone?

Jerry Kruse

No more gum-gum . . .

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The wide black borders and the flecking on the side of the head make me think otherwise now that I'm taking a closer look. Keep in mind, this thing is mounted about 15 - 20 feet high so I'm only now getting a much closer look. I'd still like to hear a bit o' feedback anyway.

JK

The red on the head makes it look like elapsoides (Scarlet King, But I have never seen the white/black banding so wide one.

I am thinking there might be a little bit work from the taxidermist there, maybe a dab or red on the head to make it look more dramatic?
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"The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think. Oh by the way, which ones pink?"

This specimen was at least a 3 footer btw. In the background was a Northern pine specimen that had to be at least four to five feet. Hmmmmm. . . .

JK

I love this part: without locality info, we have a tri-colored something.
Could be one of the Micrurus of Peru/Columbia/Argentina or could be one of the highly variable Erythroplamprus ssp or Oxyrhopus ssps.
If it's bolting through the underbrush, would you grab it mid-body? Maybe and maybe not but I need to know where I am and might rather ask Jerry to grab it!! (then we'll check the teeth)
Good pic for the 'what kind of snake?' forum.
Jeff

Hmmm?,.......I'm sort of thinking it's probably not a triangulum at all, and very well might be one of several types of "Erythrolamprus". That's a pretty strange looking head for a triangulum.

I don't think it's the same exact species of Erythrolamprus that I posted here, but I do think it's one of several others.

best regards, ~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

It might be from Honduras. I agree with Jeff and Doug: It's certainly not a milksnake, but is likely a member of the genus Erythrolamprus, a group of coral snake mimics found throughout most of Latin America. The genus Oxyrhopus is another option.

-Cole

Jerry,
I bet that is a Common false coral snake,Erythrolamprus A. Aesculapii.
Another guess would be an Aquatic coral snake, Micrurus S. Surinamensis.
We need Dick Bartlett or someone like minded on this identification.
I have worked in Brazil in the Amazon basin over the last five years, and thought it may be a good idea to have Mr Bartlett's book, Reptiles & Amphibians of the Amazon.
Great book. I was shocked to see that the Amazon basin has 13 or 14 types of Coral snake, and a number of nopoison not milksnake look a likes. So, no Jeff, I would never grab a milksnake looking snake at mid body without knowing what it was first, and even then I'd have Jerry grab it first.

I never have seen a Coral snake, or a Milksnake look a like while in Brazil, but saw plenty of other neat critters.

-Dell

Parrot snake

Fresh water Sting Ray

Fer de lance, neonate

Caiman, 16'or 17' I guess, I never could get a tape on him.

Gotta love Brazil.

Jeez what a bass Dell! How long did that thing drag you guys around in the johnboat? You ever have a green one jump into the boat after a hook-up?
Jeff

Jeff,
I never had one jump in the boat, but I have had them swim into the boat "clang" ouch.

They look so unusual - almost fake!

I bet they put up a good fight too!
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Jon Wedow
Sharp Dressed Snakes

Those arowanas are cool fish. I used to keep them in aquariums back in the late 80's. Randy w.

an icy brew, a hot wing, my coat on the way out, and maybe a young lady or two back in my prime, but NEVER a tricolored "something" in the bush. Unfortunately, I've never had the privelege of traveling in such country where tricolors exist (ahhh the herpetologically-sheltered life) but hope to one day. Thanks for the feedback fellas, and I think you guys are dead-on. Great pic Dell -- thanks much.

Jerry Kruse

Man!,........those are some awesome animals, every single one of them!,........and as an avid fisherman,......KILLER Peacock Bass, as well as a "KILLER" monster Caiman!,.........I still can't quite understand why you didn't jump into the water with a tape measure. ...............I think it would be MUCH wiser(and safer) to leave that dude for that "widget" snake measurer program!..LOL!!!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Hey, get your finger out of that guys nose!

The "hondo" looks like a bad paint job to me..

~ Mike Russo