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so a little more on my last... i have a 4'L x 2'D x 14"H cage if i where to get two dragons am i better off cutting the cage in half and making two cages or can two dragons gown up together in one big cage
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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

it depends on how old they are. i have 2 that have been together from day one and are perfectly fine.

well im plan on getting one for sure. i wouldnt want anything younger than a coule weeks old, from what ive read they are hard to keep alive that young. so anything between a couple months and a year would be great. I dont know when breeding season is or when they hatch but ill most likely buy in august or early september... so if that mean the babies ar 5 months old then perfect but if they are only a week or two then ill get a yearling.

now if i do get two it will most likely be two males from the same clutch and they will be in that age range, also both will be in the same cage from the time i get them on....

however the cages im building are gonna be 4x2 i can go taller with one but the footprint has to stay the same. with that in mind will it be big enough for two? or is that a bad idea and I should just stick with one
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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

It's very unlikely you can get 2 males to live together. BD's are territorial and males will fight. A m/f or f/f COULD be OK together but you can't count on it.

so two dragons in one cage weather its m/m m/f or f/f isnt the best idea correct? even if its a small chance of something going wrong its still A chance
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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

There's always a chance. I have some m/f and sometimes f/f pairs but always have extra enclosures available. Even my m/f pairs that get along great I have to separate at egg laying time to make sure the female gets enough to eat without the male bugging them. One of my vets has groups of 5 and 4. She has a higher toerance for the dragons abusing each other than I do.

how big and old are the two you have together? and what size cage are they in?
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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

both are 12 inches long and are in a 4x2

i have 2 males that are from the same clutch and they are doing perfectly fine.

you have to male dragons from the same clucth both 12" long (is that full grown?) in one 4x2 cage and they both are fine no problems at all

that kinda sounds an aweful lot like what i want to do
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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

that is exactly correct no they are not full grown but i will keep them together even when they are.Yes BDLVR i have chacked and they are both male

I wasn't going to say that. I had my hatchlings in groups of 3 with 2 males with one one female. They were fine till they were about the size yours are.

I have 2 m/f adult pairs. Male in one is 19 1/2, 570 grams and his mate is 730 grams and 20 1/2. The other is a female 495 grams 20 1/2 with a 17 1/2 male 470 grams. I also have 3 sub adult m/f pairs. The largest male was hatched in August 2007 and is 21" 500 grams. My normal enclosures are either 5' x 3.5' x 2' tall or 4' x 3.5' x 2' tall. I also have 4' x 2' and 5' x 2' glass terrariums that are now temporary housing, hospital enclosures, or nest boxes.

That size cage is not tall enough.

Also, its only big enough for a single adult bearded dragon, though it will be find for a little while for two dragons, but in the end bearded dragons should be housed in 4'x2' floor space with height of 18-24" individually. A 5'x2' cage is fine for two adults but bigger is best.
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PHLdyPayne

I have used 30 Breeders in a pinch in the past and they are only 12" tall. My 4 x 2 and 5 x 2 terrariums are only 17" tall. A higher cage just allows you to have a higher basking spot. I don't like tall terrariums because you would have to use a mercury vapor bulb to get UVB to the bottom.

is there a spicific reason a 4x2 would not work where a 5x2 would work for two dragons...

i understand they need room to thermoregulate, and as with all reptiles they need propper hides (witch i plan on providing plenty of in both hot and cool sides of the cage).

so assume that i have propper temps, hides, basking spot, and uvb, for both dragons in one 4x2 cage.... where do the problems lay?
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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

There are lots of breeders that put more than one dragon in a 4 x 2. Personally I feel that by the time you give them a basking spot, a water dish, a food dish, a cool and warm side hide there is not much room left for the dragon. I personally think width is better for multiple dragons. A 5 x 2 is better for temperature separation but since dragons spend most of their time on the warm end does not give much more personal space. A wider hot side allows multiple dragons to find spots without a lot of competition. That's why I build my cages with multiple basking spots so they don't have to share or compete for one.

I have a m/f combo in the same cage, diff blood lines, first 2 weeks i had them I kept them in side by side screen cages, with
'dates' every night
now for a week they have been together, he nips the back of her neck occasionally but only very softly, never runs her down, but sometimes steps on her, but she is good at going HEY U and jumping off, normally turning around and jumping onto him...
When he shows signs of bermution or the desire to mate ie. black beard, head banging, excessive nippings... I will deperate them until I am sure she is ready to get her sex on.

I have them on a secruity camera, (low quality) but i like to keep an eye on them, any sign of aggression and he will lose his girlfriend! but one week zero conflicts.