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thawing mice

slimforte Jan 28, 2008 02:03 PM

hi, i'm fairly new to snakes. i've had a garter since last summer but just got a suboc on saturday from s&m reptiles. i've tried offering ft pinks and it takes no interest. not concerned about it not feeding yet but it took no interest. i also pulled my garter out of brumation recently and it isn't interested in the mice. i just moved into a place that is now on city water and i thaw my mice with warm water. is there a possibility that there is a sent from the water they don't like. i put in a bunch of fish last night(with garter not sub) and the garter ate all of them so it is hungry. other sugestions? thanks

-T

Replies (9)

batrachos Jan 28, 2008 02:48 PM

I have gotten frozen mice which, when thawed, had a strong rank odor, as though decay had set in before they were frozen. My snakes have refused to eat these.

Have you tried patting the mice dry before feeding? The snake may be turned off by the moisture. Your garter is probably just being a garter; if it hasn't eaten mice in a while you may have to retrain it to see them as food.

peach Jan 28, 2008 03:42 PM

You could try thawing differently, put your pinks in a plastic bag and thaw in the fridge as you would do your own food. When defrosted, warm up with a hair dryer or under a lamp. Then you should have nice dry warm pinks. (Or larger)
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choppergreg74 Jan 28, 2008 04:22 PM

Hi, With the garter they love fish, however gold fish are not a good meal for them. Go to the pet store and buy about 10 goldfish and put them in the freezer. After you defrost your mice and dry them defrost some goldfish and rub and smear them on the mice. then use a tweezer and offer them very gently to the garter. Move them slightly and slowly to catch the snakes interest, not too much you scare the snake. Years ago I raised many garter snakes. This allways worked. After some time he will take unscented.
For the new snake. First make sure he is healthy (no mites, etc.) Then find out what the place you got him from was feeding him and when he last ate was. Then make sure he is not shedding. Some snakes wont eat when they shed. After you explore those options, and ruled them out try a live mouse. If the snake is wild caught he may only prefer live. Some times Hot water changes the scent of the mouse. I had some snakes that only ate mice thawed in hot water.(weird but true)If the snake is wild he may be looking to burmate or mate. I have had some male snakes cativre and wild caught that only wanted to do one thing during breeding season; and it was not eat. Keep me posted. Cheers Greg. :?

dustyrhoads Jan 28, 2008 08:15 PM

If possible, set the mice out in between sheets of newsprint for a few hours. If you're in a hurry, warm then with a lamp or heat pad, but monitor them closely as they begin to thaw. Their bellies will erupt if heated too quickly, and you'll end up with a nasty bloody mouse soup. (Really gross!)

If they are allowed to thaw slowly and in between sheets of newsprint, they will be nice and dry. Feeding wet mice to snakes increases the risk of pathogens infecting your snake via the fecal-to-oral route (from pieces of substrate and tiny particles that easily stick to the wet mouse). That, of course, would nullify the would-be pros of using frozen/thawed prey items.

Good luck with the new Suboc - sounds like it's the offspring of an animal I sold to Mike and Shelly. He was very handsome, but I got to keep his pretty sister.

Take care,

Dusty Rhoads
Suboc.com

JL1981 Jan 30, 2008 01:10 PM

Dusty,

I thaw my pinkies for my transpecos ratsnake, gray banded kingsnake, and thayeri in water. I usually don't bother drying them (they are thawed in a ziploc bag in warm water, but sometimes they will get a drop or two or water on them), but I feed my snakes in a separate plastic feeding container (that is cleaned after every meal) with no bedding/feces. Is feeding possibly wet mice in this manner going to increase the possibility of the transmission of disease?

dustyrhoads Jan 30, 2008 02:19 PM

That regime sounds fine...as long as the container is washed with soapy water and afterwards disinfected. I'd still, however, use feeding tongs and dry mice because many captive snakes still get their own feces on themselves from crawling through or around it after a defecation. This will transfer to the temporary feeding container and the cycle starts up. If any of that unseen particulate organic matter gets on the wet mouse, which is quite likely, that's where trouble begins.

For captive situations, the rule of thumb is to keep cages, food, and cage accessories clean and dry at all times. Microbial activity explodes with life in a captive animal situation whenever there is moisture of any kind...this is all of those germs' big chance to make more germs. This is why a neonate with some unabsorbed yolk is a risky situation...it's like a moist super-highway for all of those patient little microscopic "bugs" to get in line and happily stroll right on into the snake's internal environment, no questions asked.

My suggestion is to go dry, especially when dealing with thawed dead animals.

But feeding a snake on a bare bones clean floor without any substrate is a good idea, where feasible, and does mitigate risk of infection.

DR
Suboc.com

DannyBoy9 Jan 31, 2008 07:53 PM

We put our frozens on an aquarium screen top (minus the aquarium) & let them slow thaw for a reasonable time depending on their size. Once thawed, we bask them with a low wattage light until they're at least room temp. Wetness is never an issue, what with complete air circulation & some dry warmth.
Dan.

Aaron Jan 28, 2008 08:49 PM

How old is the suboc? In my experience they can be a little picky, especially for the first year or two of their life. Some will take only a certain size, some will only take live and some will not eat if stressed out. Stress is usually caused by not having appropriate hides. I would suggest making sure it has a warm area and a cooler area, with tight and dark hides in both areas.

ameratsnake Feb 02, 2008 06:00 AM

thats a great picture of a kankakee bull snake!

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