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Where did all this start?!

OKReptileRescue Jan 28, 2008 09:05 PM

My husband and I were talking tonight about balls (snakes that is) and we started wondering where all this started...

Who came up with these colors- and figured out that this x this = that...

things like bees-- who'd a thought that 2 totally different snakes would make such an awsome animal- same with BEL or Pieds...

anyway-- was it all an accident to begin with... or??

the whole BP morph thing just has me in aw every time i come here...

Beth
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Replies (6)

toshamc Jan 28, 2008 09:34 PM

Someone correct me if I'm wrong - but I think the first cross was a tie between the bumble bee (double co-dom) and the snow (double recessive) so I guess the answer to who would be NERD and Snakekeeper(? maybe) - whether it was just an accident or wishful planning - it'll likely cost you your sole to find out.
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Tosha
JET Pythons

WALL2WALLREPTILE Jan 29, 2008 01:39 AM

I doubt Kevin will want your soles.

(which are often found inside of stinky shoes.)

Kevin is more interested in less smelly things... called SOULS!

LOL.

AllStarMorphs Jan 28, 2008 10:39 PM

Well... in the beginning there where ball pythons, and the ball python was good. But the people wanted more. People started looking for things that were different and genetic. An albino was found in Africa and Bob Clark acquired it and proved it genetic. But people wanted more and kept looking for more differences that were genetic. People looked at all sorts of anomalies. Most, like the saddlebacks, didn't prove out. But then some, like pastels and spiders, did prove out. Soon the question of “what if?” came about. What if we crossed the spider and the pastel? So they were crossed (yes by NERD)... and the bee and the crosses were born.

Hope this helps

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Larry Walker

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j3nnay Jan 29, 2008 09:15 AM

In Kevin's book, the introduction describes how he got into ball pythons. He describes the Barkers being interested in yellow ball pythons (called jungles then, the ones probably mentioned initially being the jungle pastel mutation that did not prove to be inheritable).
He then says he started noticing unusual ball pythons, and picking them out from dealers. He found his first ghost this way, and went on to snag a few more from dealers.
He eventually produced his first ghost...and no one cared! He couldn't sell one for his initial price, and so he kept them. It was around this time that the albino ball was getting a lot of attention, so no one cared about his "little pale accomplishment".
He then produced the first Caramel Albino and some Pastels (called in the book Pastel Jungle). It wasn't until Graziani produced some Pastels of his own in the first generation that Kevin realized that Pastels could be co-dominant, thus having a 'super' form.
Finally people started noticing ball pythons, and the cost of them skyrocketed, creating the bubble most people are lamenting over today.
The rest is history!

I think the combos such as bumblebees, etc, arose because, well...who wouldn't want to try and see if they mix? Cornsnakes have such a variety of colors and combinations that it could hardly hurt to see if ball pythons could be similar!

~jenny
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jyohe Jan 29, 2008 06:40 PM

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.........so the answer is .......albinos from Africa via Bob Clark started the craze....

Kev was one of the first to label black backs and stripes and high yellows and all the odd looking wild $3 balls......(for $300 to $500 at the time)......and he had some lookers and more than likely takers.....

.....all the morphs were found in Africa via them or us...they got smart quick......ask Noah.......

......and Jolliff had the first snow......

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wstreps Jan 30, 2008 06:51 AM

The corn snake guys laid out the morph blue print 25 yrs before the albino Burmese python started the investment reptile craze. When Joe Faucci imported the first albino balls Clark grabbed them and it was really a slam dunk. Ball pythons have always been the top selling exotic pet snake in the trade . From there it was really just copying what the corn snake guys had already been doing. Mixing this one with that one etc. It took off the same way the colubrid thing did sort of the next step and was really just an extension of what was already going on.

Ernie Eison
westwoodreptiles.com

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