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The whitest color phase is the Albino High white?

Thank you

I assume you are referring to California Kingsnakes? If so, then the whitest ones I've ever seen are the Blizzards. (Albino Melanistic)
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Aubrey Ross

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The whitest ones are complete high whites. Those only have black on their heads, the rest is WHITE. Abinos, are not white. As it takes black, to make white. White is the combination of all base colors.

So you take the black out and you lose true white. Cheers

ahh details.

But FR must be getting soft cause he forgot to call him a dumb stupid [bleep] [bleep] son of a [bleep] and parade his [bleepin] mistake by pointing how ignorant [bleeps] like this have the ability to breath.

All without the expletives, of course
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ÌÏËÙÍ ËÁÂE!

I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa, not kicking and screaming like his passengers.

Did I forget that??????? not going soft, just getting old, I thought it, but forgot to write it, dang. hahahahaha

Actually I did call any one person stupid. Just an additude of narrowmindedness. (is that a word). No, I did not think so.

I really could careless about a method people choose. But ifs because they do not know any better, then that becomes ignorance(not being aware) But when they choose a poor method or course of action over a known better one, then that leads to that word, stupid or at least approaching stupid.

In this case, its merely a choice. I have not seen a whiter cal king then an extreme high white. But a Lucsistic(sp) king thats all white with blue eyes would indeed be whiter. I have not seen that yet. Cheers

>>>White is the combination of all base colors.

You want to explain that one to me Frank?
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the color black is technically not a color, it is the absence of light reflecting. In fact, all colors are not "color" they are seen as color based on the spectrum of light that is reflected from them. Hence, white is the reflection of the total light spectrum, were as black is the total lack of reflection... so when FR says that white is the combination of all base colors, he is correct...
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~Maggie~

"Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious."
1.1 Cal Kings
1.0 Mali Uromastyx
1.0 Brooksi
0.1 Red Belly Piranha
1.0 Quarter Horse
1.0 Australian Shepherd

>>>Hence, white is the reflection of the total light spectrum, were as black is the total lack of reflection

Gotcha, yet another very interesting subject, as it applies to pigment (or lack there of) in snakes.
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lol... I'm glad you understood that... I tend to get a little overly deep into explanations of things I really understand well... but ya, that's exactly what I was getting at...
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~Maggie~

"Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious."
1.1 Cal Kings
1.0 Mali Uromastyx
1.0 Brooksi
0.1 Red Belly Piranha
1.0 Quarter Horse
1.0 Australian Shepherd

It was taught to me that there are colors, then there is black and white. White is the combination of all pigments(color is actually the wrong word, sorry) And black is the absence of all pigment. Therefore white reflects all the basic colors and black absorbs them, and does not reflect them.

Without writing a book there you go. Oh and it works when mixing pigments. You want to make white a brighter white, add blue. Try it sometime. Even see what colors laundry whiteners are? hahahahahahahaha blue. Have a good one Joe, cheers

>>>>>> Even see what colors laundry whiteners are? hahahahahahahaha blue. Have a good one Joe, cheers

Unfortunately, I know all too well what color those are hahaha.
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Ok, that makes sense. I didn't realize they meant the actual white "pigment" verses just how it looked in general.
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I agree 100% with that. Many folks assume that because a snake is amelanistic, it is white,....and as you mentioned, they ARE NOT, they are just void of ANY color(obviously black) in their melanophores, which is why neonates look "pink" because the blood of the animal is slightly visible through the thin, opaque scales of a young snake.

I have also understood years ago, that scientifically, the human eye perceives white as a strange dynamics of all colors combined. It sounds ridiculous, but that is supposed to be scientific fact. The science of white pigment(as in paint) is a much more complicated thing than most think.

And yes, as you also stated, the more naturally occuring white an amel has to begin with, the whiter it is when just a small amount of dark pigment is voided, as in a VERY narrow black banded amel.Cal. King with the remainder being stark white naturally.

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

...to the best white and yellow banded albino Cal kings?
I mean, all I see these days are a lavender of sorts and the amel "banana" types.
I'm looking for deep, bright WHITE and deep, bright YELLOW bands.
Anyone know where they are??
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

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somebody kept them together in the same cage. lol kidding only kidding. I havent seen those kings in a while myself.

DING-DING!!!!,........there's the bell for round #2..hhaaha!

hopefully....................NOT!!!!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

I received 1.2 Cals a few years back because one of the females had eaten the other (there were 2.2) male and...you guessed it.....it was a nice white and yellow male..That I know because I was the unfortunate one who found the damn thing (regurged) in the cage later in the day.
Yummy.
:Mark
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Thank you both going to look up both phases atleast I now know where to look

Are albino snakes tyroinase positive or tyrosinase negative?

Scott

Are albino snakes tyroinase positive or tyrosinase negative?

Both are albino. The T negs are refferred to as albinos and the T pos as Lavender albinos. AT least it is that way with kingsnakes. With boids i have seen some weird designations.

To me it really doesn't matter what we call them. I just think they are cool as heck.

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I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa, not kicking and screaming like his passengers.

They can be either one depending on the morph.

*Tyrosinase(pos.) albino animals look somewhat darker because their pigment cells have the necessary precurser(tyrosinase) to form dark pigment(melanin) within the cells, but are incapable of synthesizing it in the proper manner. Many of these albino forms are commonly known as lavender albinos.

*Tyrosinase(neg.) albinos do NOT produce tyrosinase within the melanocyte, so they display a much "whiter" coloration where the melanin pigment is totally void.

~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

*Tyrosinase(neg.) albinos do NOT produce tyrosinase within the melanocyte, so they display a much "whiter" coloration where the melanin pigment is totally void.

and the T negs have completly red eyes whereas the T pos have some pigment in the eye causing a ruby eyed or darker appearance.
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I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa, not kicking and screaming like his passengers.

Thanks Bluerosey and DMong for the great info!

Scott