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I am posting this as a last resort to possibly get a response about some questions I have regarding the three pairs of bulls I bought from you last year. I tried diligently to to contact you from the day those bulls arrived via e-mail and telephone to ask a few simple questions about them. You completely ignored my attempts. I tried again a few months back and then again as recent as two days ago. I practically implored you to respond so that we could correspond privately. Again you ignored me even though you took the time to chat on this forum. That being said, I'll ask my questions here.
I bought three pairs of bulls from you that you represented as locality animals. They were as follows...South Texas, Amarillo, and Kansas bulls. All were labeled het for albino. You said the S. Texas bulls were from an area between two counties in S. Texas. I have since heard that there are no pure S. Texas bulls that are het for albino. I also heard that there are no pure Kansas bulls that are het as well. When the snakes arrived here they were labeled as S. Texas(het), Kansas(het), and Amarillo(het). None were labeled as "strain" and I was never told they were from a particular strain. I assumed they were pure due to your representation of these snakes (labeled pics, e-mails) Prior to my purchase of them. I do not want to misrepresent these bulls in the future. If you could give me some information regarding these bulls it would be much appreciated! Did they all come from the same source? Are the Amarillos pure? What were the S. Texas and Kansas bulls crossed with to make them hets? Thanks in advance for any help.

I find it amazing that so many other people can get in touch with me, both for purchases and infornmation. But you have not been able to. As most everyone knows, I travel a lot with my business and am extremely hard to contact by phone. Email is the way to contact me if you want a response quickly. As far as your inquiry about the bulls I will be glad to answer any questions you or anyone else may have about our lines of pits publically or privately. So let me see if I can do that for you.

As far as south Texas bulls being het, yes they are and the original albino bull collectted in that strain was collected by James Long of Hebbronville Texas in April of 1978 on the Bruni Road outside of Freer Texas.. The Amirillo line was established in 1982 and the original albino was collected by a gentleman by the name of Albert Benton of Austin, Texas. There is a distinct difference between the two lines as far coloration. Prior to my accident I owned the original male amirrillo male, but he was killed last year. As far as the Kansas line the animals were traced back to an individual that claimed to have collectted the animal in Lawrence Kansas in 1987, I never talked with him but several others did.

One other point, you made the statement that these animals were not represented as strains and I disagree with that statement, they were in fact represented exactly as that South Texas Strain, Amirillo strain and Kansas strain. Color morphs for the most part can only be sold as exactly that, even though they can be traced in some cases as to the origin of them.

One final thing, if you are not satified with the animals merely let me know when you are sending them back and I will be glad to reimburse your money as we always do with dissatisfied any customer. This is a hobby and our guarantee states that in several places.

let me know what you want to do. Our email address is cherry@flash.net.

John Cherry
Cherryville Farms

"As far as your inquiry about the bulls I will be glad to answer any questions you or anyone else may have about our lines of pits publically or privately. So let me see if I can do that for you."

Hello John, it appears my e-mails have possibly missed their mark as well concerning the "Pine Barrens" Locality Pines you stated you have. I for one would be glad to hear about their background either publicly or privately as you stated above.

I have been attempting to clarify the current lines being kept by many of the hobbyists and welcome your contribution in the hopes there are additional lines out there I as well as others may be unaware of.

Also, if it not to much, what locales are you currently working with in regards to bullsnakes. There are several I am interested in gaining more knowledge about myself and it appears from your response you have become well versed in many.

Thanks, Rich Hebron

So it is fair to say, since both parents of each "strain" were not collected from the same locality that these are not locality animals. I am still curious as to what locality "mates"?) were used in conjunction with the "strain" locality animals(Kansas, S.Texas, Amarillo) to produce these offspring, although at this point it's not that important. That is all I wanted to know. I never stated I was unhappy with the snakes and also stated that I simply wanted to represent the snakes as what they are. I will now represent them as generic. Contrary to what you think you recall, you NEVER represented those animals as "strains". I truly thought I was buying locale animals. Again I am not dissappointed with the bulls. It was the representation I was unsatisfied with. I will keep them for now, but if I decide to let them go, I wanted to represent them as what they are. I think anyone would expect that and deserve that type of honesty. Wouldn't you agree?
With regard to your statement about the correspondence issue, I have in fact e-mailed you several times upon obtaining the bulls you sent. I e-mailed you two days ago pleading for a response in one last final ditch effort and you ignored it. The fact that other people have been able to contact you is irrelevant here. I never said I couldn't contact you, I said you wouldn't contact me once the transaction was over. You never made any attempt to contact me. I find it amusing that you would now offer to take these snakes back after all this time. Of course if I did have a problem with the snakes, would it have mattered? You wouldn't even respond to a few simple questions after all this time. I am sorry that it had to come to me posting here before you would finally answer my questions. I do appreciate the information. Thank you! Take care.

I don't know how that stupid green face got in my message. Sorry.

First yes they were produced from animals collectted in exactly the region we stated and yes I have a copy of the price list I sent out to you and everyone else at that time and they were represented as what they are now and were then. The south Texas albino bulls have all been bred to South Texas animals to produce the hets we spoke of. The Amirrillo bulls likewise. The kansas aniamls since they have been n my pocession have been done the same. The only reason I make any distiction and not make a straight across the board statement on all three is that there is one gap in the ownership of the Kansas bulls I have not been able to reticfy by personal contact. THe rest are as good I it gets guys.

Last night I answered 46 emails form folks and that is a nightly occurence. As far as emails not being answered in your case Rich, I am out of the state right now and am waiting to get home to send that info. to you so that it is not from memory ( which is failing at times, my wife tells me). As far as the other email I do not have anything from you in the in box. Sorry for any delay or non-response but it was not intentional I can assure you. One of my greatest pleasures is discussing the origins of any of our lines of animals.

Again, if you decide to get rid of your bulls let me know I will be glad to have them back. As the Kansas line I have completely lost in our diaster, so you and about 6 other folks have all I had produced last year.

John Cherry
Cherryville Farms

Thanks John. If I do at any time decide to let them go, and the parties that expressed mild interest in them don't want them, I'll let you know. As I said before, I am just looking for information. Contrary to what you or others may think, I was not looking to cause a scene here. Sorry if I came off that way. My frustration wasn't the locality issue. I was just frustrated that I had such a difficult time with correspondence. If I seem "anal" because of my questions, it is because I favor locality specific animals. The bulls you sent were some of the few in my collection that I didn't have specific information on. I do have one last question and then I'll leave you be. Were ther any other localities bred into the Amarillo strain at any time that were not from Amarillo or are the Amarillos pure? Thanks again!

I did not take offence at you asking the questions by any means and I commend you for wanting the information. I am just sorry that you could not get the anwsers in the normal frame of communication. You should have been able to and I apoligize for the problem if was on my end. With all that said though let get past all this and try and answer your questions.

The amirrillo strain of af albinos were very distinct in comparison to some of the other strains of albino bulls on the market due to the high amount of vivid red that they had. When put beside one of the others it was very apparent, and therefore were one of most coveted lines for the possibilities they repreented. The animals you got from that line are to the best of my knowledge nothing but locality animals, all the ancestors came from a 20 mile radius around Amirillo.

Hope that helps and again sorry for the delay in getting you your information.

John Cherry
Cherryville Farms

Thank you.