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After reading over most of the posts below, I thought of a possibility that does not seem to have been suggested.

What if there are three possible alleles for the amel locus? Let's call the three alleles normal, amel, and extreme.

If so, the gene pairs and their possible appearance could be as follows:
normal//normal = normal
normal//amel = looks normal
normal//extreme = looks normal
extreme//extreme = extreme to dark extreme
amel//amel = amel
extreme//amel = extreme to light extreme

Testing this idea would include mating an extreme to a relatively unrelated amel. The expectation would be either all extreme or 1/2 extreme and 1/2 amel. If any normals hatch out, then the idea can be rejected.

Disclaimer: This is not a new idea. This sort of thing has already been suggested for cases in the black rat snake, corn snake, and boa constrictor. Multiple alleles have been known for a century in mammals.

Paul Hollander

Did you get normal looking animals or something else????

Vinny
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Natural Selection Reptiles

I have him lined up this year,to a albino tangerine ans a tri-color albino
Terry M

Now those are some hatchlings I want!

Vinny
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

Natural Selection Reptiles

well, if Terry's animal is already hybino then what will that prove? I am sure there will be amels in the clutch.I know that Mike Falcon bred one of his extreme's to a amel and produced all normals (dbl-het hybinos) a few years ago.

L8r Shannon

Well I guess if it is an extreme hybino then bred back to an albino you should get all ablinos het extreme. So if the above idea is right and this is kinda like the ultramel thing then half of the offspring would look an extreme hybino and half would be normal albinos. But, thats all getting way a ahead of things.

If all extremes are equal and mike bred one of his extremes to an albino and got normal dbl hets thats that. Falcon-line extreme is not allelic to albino.

In the end I am holding out my opinion until those extreme hets you are going to make starting hooking up with each other.

Shannon, do you know what the parents of the first extreme were? Were they hypos?

Best,
Vinny
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

Natural Selection Reptiles

Vinny,my Xtreme Hypo came from a triple het X triple het breeding,the triple het pair was from Terry D.that Jeff Alloway purchased 4- 5 years ago.

Terry M

The only true way to do it is to find a het for nothing hondo and breed him to it. Shannon was going to do this, but if yours is in fact a triple homo it will take alot longer to seperate everything out.

I have a distinct feeling he is a HYPO OPAL het anery. Homo for HYPO/Extreme(lav)/Amel(combined with lav=opal). That would account for what you are producing.

Has anyone produced an extreme snow? I've seen the ghost but I havent heard of a snow or havent paid close enough attention.

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i'm not over weight i'm under tall

Has anyone produced an extreme snow? I've seen the ghost but I havent heard of a snow or havent paid close enough attention.

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i'm not over weight i'm under tall

Here you go,we believe this to be an Xtreme snow,time will tell ,but she has very nice gray bands,and is from my Xtreme male X a triple het female

Terry M

I can definetly see the influence thanks for the reply. Nice snake too. So this would be the extreme blizzard?
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i'm not over weight i'm under tall

Xtreme Pearl