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I think making a few changes to preserve our ecosystem in florida wouldnt be a bad idea at all. Any animal that could hurt an ecosystem should be banned, not just boids. By banned, I mean not introducing more in captivity thats already here. I.e. if theres a large breeding group of Burms already in florida, no other Burms should be brought into the state. Look what happened in Hawaii, the brown tree snake caused serveral birds (seven if i remember correctly) to become extinct. THERE'S NO COMING BACK FROM EXTINCTION!!!! Think outside of the box for a second. Your a huge snake fanatic, what about the bird fanatics out there... they can no longer enjoy seeing those birds (in the wild or captivity). Lets not be biased...I know a lot of people are going to get upset about this message because they're concerned about the quality of the snake; different morphs, customer service issues, etc... but the reality is what nature?!?!?

Its too bad that the wreckless screw it up for all of us! Dont point the finger at the Law Makers... point the finger at the people who dumped their problems on society.

There is one menace that far outweighs these snakes - and it's impact is a thousand times worse on the everglades ecological system than the snakes as a matter of fact it's global menace - its the dreaded Homo sapiens - I agree we should ban them.
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Tosha
JET Pythons

Amen Tosha, well said!!!
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Greg Power
B.O.A. Inc
boainc@gmail.com

"I think making a few changes to preserve our ecosystem in florida wouldnt be a bad idea at all. Any animal that could hurt an ecosystem should be banned, not just boids."

BAN THE DEVELOPERS WHO ARE DESTROYING OUR ECOSYSTEM DOWN HERE!
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Matt Lerer
'Ghi Reptiles'
Ghi Reptiles

[ Boiga irregularis] has NOT been introduced to Hawaii. It was introduced on Guam not by intentional release but thought to have come in as stowaways on ships and planes. Development does more harm in a single day than all releases; accidental or intentional; have in the last 20 years. That is where the real problem lies. We Homo sapiens do NOT live on a sustanable yield basis. TC

thanx tom for clearing that up. i was about to until i read your post. its funny that hawaii has snake-sniffing dogs to detect invasive species. irregularis being the main target. for some reason i would really like to own irregularis one day. babies are among the cutest of snakes.

If we could just ban stupid people. But in all reality, there should not only be an effort to keep more large snakes from being released into the wild, but also an effort to remove the ones that are already there. I read an article a while back where in a few hours, the author had seen 5 or 6 burms just while walking around in south florida. I know it would be impossible to find them all, but with a decent team it doesn't seem too far fetched to make a big impact on the breeding population. Maybe some of the people in the reptile community down there that work with large snakes could work with the FWS to help reduce the number of wild burms. Maybe this is already happening. If not, we do need to do something. Although I love them, the world definately doesn't revolve around snakes. We need to make an effort to save out sensitive ecosystem that we've already screwed up pretty bad. I hate seeing all of these trees cut down, swamps filled in, etc. to build subdivisions and destroy all of that natural habitat. Sorry about getting a little off track, but that's just my two cents.

I am all for bans on idiots.

If people would simply take care of their animals in a responsible manner. Properly house them, and not release them, there wouldn't be an issue.

Simple as that.

Someone from Florida once posted on a board that there was a hurricane that destroyed a zoo down there a while back and many animals got lose. It is very likely that this zoo was the source of many feral species that are now in Florida.
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Gilbert Boas
The Boa List!

The State of Florida has ALREADY addressed this issue. The out come determined that bans were an inappropriate solution . It was deemed a matter best handled by a permitting system and mandatory microchip implants (such as are used with Dogs and Cats). In contrast to banning, a system that promotes responsible ownership has been employed to aid both environmental safety and the interest of concerned private owners.This system gives the presiding authority a direct link to the party responsible for a specific animal, with heavy fines charged to parties who do not follow the guidelines of responsible ownership .

Certain activist lobbied the support of specific individuals who then filed a grievance at the Federal level before the newly enacted laws even went into effect. Many of the people who are so aggressively perusing the proposed reptile bans under the guise of environmental and public safety are the same ones who supported legislation and projects that lead to some of the greatest and most profitable environmental travesty's in United States history. The proof is in the signatures.

Ernie Eison
Westwoodreptles .com

How does a ban change or stop the current existing "ferile" snakes from breeding in Florida? Correct answer: It doesn't, the only way to stop them from breeding in the wild at this point is, remove them from the wild.
Would a ban prevent those animals from ever escaping into the wild again? Answer: No, the next Hurricane, all hell breaks loose from zoos and private owners with or without permits, either way.
Would a ban solve florida's or any other "problem"? Answer:No
Would a ban be a real pain in the ass for a lot of people and open the door for orginazations like PETA and Human Society to enact further banning? Answer: Yes, there's no doubt those organizations would love to pounce on it like a Liger.
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humans

ban humans from Florida, they move there by the hundreds everyday and kill the natural resourses and screw up the environment for their own survival.

...I know......off the topic

......but WE are the best example of a good thing gone wrong....

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..........lawmakers are stupid......
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lawmakers aren't stupid, they are puppets controlled by the general public, the general public is stupid. Lawmakers role is to serve and represent "us" (the general public). That said sometimes "they" (lawmakers) do get out of "our" (the general public's) control and write their own rules.
And yes the human population control is the biggest problem on this planet, when have you heard any government session address it. lol have fun with that one.
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1.0 pastel ball python
0.1 mojave ball python
0.1 normal ball python
0.2 3-toed box turtles
2.3 eastern box turtles
0.0.5 3-striped mud turtle
1.0 northern diamondback terrapin
2.1 tiger salamander
1.1 red-sided garter
1.0 anerythristic red-sided garter
1.1 Iowa snow plains garter
1.1 Het butter stripe cornsnake
0.1 anerythristic motley cornsnake