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Random question, feel so stupid. :/

MacabreThirteen Feb 08, 2008 10:20 PM

Okay, so.

My Exanthematicus, Zephyrus, who I got from the shop I work at as a baby, is about a year and a half and over three feet long, TL now.

Well, we figured Zephie-poo was a male.

I hauled him out of his enclosure yesterday when I was working down in the reptile room to give him a nice, in-depth inspection. I set on the floor next to the Argus box, and noticed my male argus courting my female.

"Score!" I thought to myself, "Go get her, Kharnak, you little pimp!"

As I'm watching them, with my Sav sort of... Half trying to climb up my chest to get back into his house, half eyeing the rodent cages nearby, I noticed something.

Comparing Kharnak's head to the rest of his body, his head is HUGE. His mate; tiny head, long through the middle.

Looking at Zephyrus, and mentally comparing him to a Sav of equal size who we know 100% is a male at the shop, he's got...

A really, really small noggin, to put it mildly. The big Sav at work has a head maybe... Twice as big as my baby's, no lie.

Zephyrus is pudgy, though by no means obese like most Savannahs, and spends his days roaming an eight foot long, three feet wide, three feet tall wood and class box I made for him when he was about eighteen inches long. He eats f/t small rats, all home bred and frozen, and gets a couple every other day.

I guess I'm just starting to wonder--

Any of y'all notice a distinct difference in the cranium sizes between male and female Savs? If so, could this be an indication that my baby boy and first monitor is, in fact, a baby GIRL?

Oddly enough, I hope not, because I can't very well call a female lizard Zephyrus. :[
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1.1 Ornate Uromastyx [Re and Wadjet]
1.0 Savannah Monitor [Zephyrus]
1.0 Quince Monitor [Poe]
1.1 Eastern Box Turtles [Zoink and Abel]
1.0 Sulcata Tortoise [Littlefoot]
0.1 Pink-Toe Tarantula [Athena]
1.1 Argus Monitors [Kharnak and Mudd]
1.0 Eastern Kingsnake [Duke]
0.1 Jungle Carpet Python [Whistler]

...And more rats than I can count anymore.

{Hi, I'm Harmony, and I'm a Varanophile...}

Replies (2)

HappyHillbilly Feb 08, 2008 10:54 PM

Yes, there is a noticeable difference between an exnathematicus female's head size/shape and a male's.

In the photo below, the female is 39 inches long and the male is aprox. 32 - 34 inches long.

The tailbase of a female is usually noticeabley wider than a male and lacks hemipenal bulges on the bottomside.

Take care!
HH
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

MacabreThirteen Feb 08, 2008 11:29 PM

Yeah. :/

I'm really starting to think he's a she--Oh well, I can find a mate easier now. Or not. Zephyrus is sort of an enclosure hog...

I think I'm gonna' haul him/her to the vet with me when I take my new male argus in to have the Sav... "inspected"... Sigh.

Oh well. I guess having a female wouldn't be so bad. Males are a dime a dozen--I rarely see females.
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1.1 Ornate Uromastyx [Re and Wadjet]
1.0 Savannah Monitor [Zephyrus]
1.0 Quince Monitor [Poe]
1.1 Eastern Box Turtles [Zoink and Abel]
1.0 Sulcata Tortoise [Littlefoot]
0.1 Pink-Toe Tarantula [Athena]
1.1 Argus Monitors [Kharnak and Mudd]
1.0 Eastern Kingsnake [Duke]
0.1 Jungle Carpet Python [Whistler]

...And more rats than I can count anymore.

{Hi, I'm Harmony, and I'm a Varanophile...}

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