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How do you get pieds out of a het pied female? Do you need another het? Or What?

it sure would help!
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Chad Ramsey

well a few ways to get pieds

pied X pied
Pied X het
pied X poss het
het X het
pos het X het
poss het X poss het

not all them ways will give you them for sure with the poss hets you gotta hope they prove het and from for sure hets together hope you hit the odds

I ask alot of questions, so please don't take this the wrong way. Go to NERDS website and invest the $40 dollars on the book Kevin wrote and it will answer just about ALL of the questions you have about morphs, breeding, genetics etc.

The Pied gene is recessive. With recessives both parents must carry the gene for the Pied mutation for the offspring to have a chance of coming out as a pied. The parents may both appear normal.

Other recessive mutations are:

Clown
Axanthic
Albino

With a co-dominant mutation, only one parent has to carry the gene for that mutation. However, if only one parent carries the mutant gene the offspring that come out with the mutation will only partially express it. If both parents carry the co-dominant mutation, the offspring that come out with the mutation will either partially or fully express it.

Think of a co-dominant mutation like a red flower and a normal like a white flower. If you breed the co-dominant red flower to the normal white flower, you will get white and pink flowers. The offspring will either be the normal white, or partially express the red and this will be seen as pink... If both parents carry the co-dominant red flower gene and you breed them, you will get some normal whites, some co-dominant pinks and some true homogenous red flowers.

Some co-dominant mutations are:

Pastel
Cinnammon
Black Pastel
Pinstripe

Other are only dominant and do not produce partial mutations like:

Spider
Calico(maybe not?..yeah right..)

This isnt exactly a perfect explaination, but it helps to understand it (for me anyway) to think of it like this.

Best of luck, ask as many questions as you want.

I re-reading my post, I should have said the co-dominant gene was like a pink flower and two co-dominant pink flowers bred together will produce norma white, co-dominant pink and homogenous red flowers...

It will make your head spin if ya think about it too much! LOl...

Very well said that was a great explantion of genetics 101. 2 thumbs up
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Brian n Chrissy

www.cb-reptiles.com/
"snakes are kind of like potato chips, you cant have just one"

HI,............The good thing is that the het pied females are the expensive ones. Het pied males are generally around $100 or less. I DO NOT suggest possible hets. In my opinion it is an expensive game of chance and Why bother. CONSIDER THIS!! You buy a poss het female for $250 Now you grow her up for 2-3 years before you can even TRY to prove her out. So consider 20W of heat x 24hours x 730days. at 10cents a KWhr then $35 just in heat alone. PLUS $104 in meals for 2 years. TO grow a potentially NORMAL animal!! Not to mention POOP and bedding costs and space that could be utilized by a 100% het female...................If you bred a normal to a 100% het female then you only have possible hets again and NO PIEDS! until another couple years and you breed them back to their mother. and that is still a 50/50 shot at best.........Growing out a 100% het male pied and breeding that will yield 1/4 pieds 1/4 pure normal and 1/2 het pied. As you know you cannot tell the het pieds from normals. In some cases they have the pied marker but BE CAREFUL I have several 100% proven normal females that have the same markers........SO either buy a homozygous pied male or buy a 100% het pied male from a RELIABLE Breeder. Either one should by all rights get you some pieds on the first generation....................God Bless, Lee Van Hyfte

Did zefdid confuse anyone but me? LOL Got me wanting to breed my pied to a rose bush!!
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Het Pied X Pied = 50% Pieds 50% Het Pieds
Het Pied X Het Pied = 25% Pieds 50% Het Pieds 25% Normals
Het Pieds X Normal = 50% Het Pieds 50% Normals
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