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It was told to me this corn is a Jungle....Is It??

I have looked for info and all I find on the Jungle corns are some black and white Kingsnake looking types.

Does anyone know what this is?

Thanks Andy

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Yeah, that is a hybrid, most likely a "jungle corn" which are typically Cal.King x cornsnake(as well as other kingsnake combinations). It looks like it has a larger percentage of cornsnake in it's lineage, meaning the original king/corn cross was bred back to a cornsnake.

As a "purist", I don't care for them in regards for their potential to dilute pure lines in collections(not just talking about cornsnakes here either), I don't know why so many think this is such a great thing to do, but it is what it is.

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

I agree with Doug that it APPEARS to be a jungle. It may just be an aberrant Okeetee, but looks are everything. Even if someone could prove it's a pure corn, it has hybrid markers. It's difficult to sell something like this as a pure corn, AND if you do succeed in doing that, you potentially pollute the gene pool. Herein lies the problems with hybrids. Some do not have hybrid markers and are dishonestly or mistakenly sold as pure corns. The odd animals produced down the line are hybrids, but sold as pure corns, and often have NO hybrid markers, after genetic dilution back to the root species. Hence, people start making odd-looking corns that are touted to be pure (but are actually hybrids in disguise). This is NOT a good thing.

Don
South Mountain Reptiles

I understand what you are talking about...and I also aquired 6 other Okeetee's from another individual....they were said to be pure so now, I ask you....what are these markers?
If I want to keep certain lines pure then what should I look for?

Thanks Andy
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Non-cornlike head markings and the yellow ground coloration are the most obvious hybrid markers I see in that snake. Sometimes, aberrant belly pattern is also on hybrids. You see, the nature of the UNNATURAL SELECTION going on in the captive snake world, lends itself to things changing. Getting away from the NORMAL look of corns, because most people want the oddities within the species. If everyone has a normal looking corn, they want unNORMAL colors. If Okeetees have the classic color theme of different reds, we want one with a yellow ground coloration. Hence, some of the atypical members of a particular corn snake morph are actually the result of selective breeding within the species to change this or that. They are still corns, but some choose to quicken the process by infusing the traits of alien species into corns, in order to change the looks suddenly. Then, they breed back to corns and the borrowed looks of the alien species are still in the family tree, but by breeding back to corns, they make them look more like corns (except for the borrowed trait).

So, having said all this, it's possible your corn is a pure one, but I wouldn't buy it because of the head markings and the yellow ground coloration that is virtually identical to that of jungle corns (king snake X corn snake). I'm guessing the belly of your's is also atypical, compared to the checkering we see in most corns.
South Mountain Reptiles

Thank you Don....

I am going to take a closer inspection of the corn, and compare it to my pure ones....
I am very new to corns in general, and have never bred any yet to date. I have 3 females that should breed but I need to learn what to do first.

Thanks Andy
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colubrids that bounce in and out of collections will be hybrids soon. I'm not sure what else to say. the idea is intriguing, but has to much of a negative affect to me.

Nice looking snake,, but please if you breed it tell the people the lineage.
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.HerpZillA.com

Tom,....But unfortunately, "telling" people about the lineage might sound good in "theory", it will NEVER stop the tainted genetics from entering collections soon thereafter, it just doesn't happen. Then when you figure in the amount of offspring that one breeding might produce(say 20 eggs), then those females of THAT clutch have babies,.etc...etc...etc...

It's a "wheel" that will NEVER stop turning!......just imagine all the questionable looking hybrids that are ALREADY floating around out there producing more and more of "whatever", multiplied by folds, and folds,....it is totally STAGGERING!

This pertains to MANY different types of snakes as you well know, and it just sickens me when I think of all the MANY, MANY people that are always posting photos, and asking......"what is this?"......that alone is all the proof ANYONE needs to plainly show there is a big problem that is thoroughly out of control!,....know what I mean? I've stated this so many times I get "blue in the face", Anyone that claims hybrids HAVE NOT, CANNOT, or WILL NOT cause huge problems in peoples collections, is just purely "blowing smoke", and has absolutely no idea what they are talking about.......PERIOD!

Anyway, I could probably write a book on just this one subject, but it takes people with enough common sense to grasp what a REAL problem this really is.

best regards, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

these are my jungle corns. A much older pics, but gets the idea accross. Jungle corns Vary greatly. It also depends what percent jungle corn. Yours looks more like a corn, so could be 75% corn 25% king. You never know though, unless the person who breeds it, tells you.

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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"I try to take one day at a time but sometimes several days attack me at once"

i really like the color of the 2nd and 3rd pics. i have a jurassic(not far from a jungle) that is quite ugly but he is a 1st generation but his offspring will be beutiful when mated to my beutiful hypo tang hondo het anery in 09 (lets hope).
adam
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" a.k.a. farfrumugen "
hybrid breeders association
1.1 puebladurans
1.1 sinacorns
1.1 hypo corns
1.1 kenyan sand boas
1.1 mbk
1.1 albino corns
1.1 childrens python
1.2 ghost corns
2.2 butter(both females motley)
2.2 pyroxgreerixruthvenixalternaxcampbellixholbrooki
0.1 hypo pyroxgreerixruthvenixalternaxcampbellixholbrooki
1.0 snow corns
1.0 jurassic milk
1.0 house snake
1.0 crimson corns
0.2 albino pueblacorns
0.1 striped ghosts
0.1 anery pueblacorn
0.1 bloodred
0.1 striped albino corn
0.1 albino nelsons
0.1 anery motley
0.1 normal corn het hypo,anery
0.1 hypo tang hondo
0.1 rosy boa

without looking at the post again, I think the pics of the 2nd and 3rd are my male. He has not had interested in my female yet. If he does not breed her this year, I will be selling him, I think. They are the only Jungle corns that I have.
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"I try to take one day at a time but sometimes several days attack me at once"