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question 1)
Do either of the books- either VPI or the nerd book- have all these combos cut and dry? like "to get a bumblebee, cross a spider and pastel - the result is bees,spiders,pastels, normals." ... blah blah blah for all the morphs... ?

question 2)
ok- so i'm all over the bumblebee thing- they facinate me...
i've been all over nerd's site looking at the combos- but i'm not sure i totally understand what the site says....

I know this:
Spiderxpastel= bees,spiders,pastels,normals

so...
bee x axanthic = axanthic bees, regular bees? spiders, pastels, normals.......

is that right?
i'm totally oblivious to how all this works...

question 3)
ALSO-- I know there are a few things out there that make a rediculous amount of different offspring-- I'm doing a project for our BIO for Majors class and i'm wanting to pick out 3-5 combos that not only make cool stuff- but that make a lot of different babies out of one pairing.
One i'm doing is the BEL, i'm looking for other pairings as well...
any help would be fantastic... i've been browsing a bit, but haven't found quite what i'm looking for...

i know thats a lot- and its a mess... but i need help from you experts out there.

Thanks!

Beth
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bumblebee x axanthic? not exactly, but you're heading in the right direction. the bumblebee ingredients [spider and pastel] are both co-dominant, so they show up first generation. the axanthic is recessive, you're going to make hets. so you would get 1/4 bumblebee het axanthic, 1/4 spider het axanthic, 1/4 pastel het axanthic, and 1/4 het axanthic. to get axanthic bumblebees would take one more generation. great project. kurt d.

facinating.... confusing but facinating....

ok- so one more generation....

do explain please... i'm not sure i've got it yet (i'm a bit slow...)

so i'd need to go Pastel het axanthic X spider het axanthic= axanthic bee?
that still doesn't sound like it-- that sounds like i'd get a bee het axanthic...

or bee het axanthic X ????

lmao-- *shakes head in shame* this is why i'm not a breeder.... i'm trying though- theres no way i can afford to just off and buy an axanthic bee--- i have to make it myself...

thanks for the help...

Beth
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Yes, your pairing of spider het axanthic to pastel het axanthic could end up in axanthic bumblebees. So you get the idea that since pastel and spiders are co-dominant and dominant, they show up in the first generation. The part that I think is throwing you off is that in order to get a visual recessive, the recessive gene must come from both parents. You cannot get an axanthic, or any other visual recessive, by only having the axanthic gene come from one parent. So, to get a bumblebee axanthic, you could do it the way you just described because you will end up with a bee in the first generation. Then, since you have the axanthic gene on both sides, it can show up in the first generation. Since they both show up in the first generation, they have the potential to combine and you could get your axanthic bumblebee.
After a while this will make sense. I'm only 16 and after a while of studying, it makes total sense. Sometimes I can't put it into words though, so I hope what I said makes a little sense. Good Luck.

>>question 1)
>> Do either of the books- either VPI or the nerd book- have all these combos cut and dry?

NERD's book does. For each of the morphs in the book, it says who bred it first, alternate names, as well as what combos are produced with it/what morphs made it.

>>question 2)
>>so...
>>bee x axanthic = axanthic bees, regular bees? spiders, pastels, normals.......

Bust out your punnet square! Axanthic is a recessive trait, so any babies produced from an axanthic x a snake not carrying axanthic only produces hets. So, your bee x axanthic makes...
25% spiders, 100% het for axanthic
25% pastels, 100% het for axanthic
25% normals, 100% het for axanthic
25% bees, 100% het for axanthic

So no axanthics at all in the first generation, but the second generation is where you'd make your axanthic bees.

>>question 3)
>>ALSO-- I know there are a few things out there that make a rediculous amount of different offspring-- I'm doing a project for our BIO for Majors class and i'm wanting to pick out 3-5 combos that not only make cool stuff- but that make a lot of different babies out of one pairing.

Ask Kevin for what makes his enchinferno! I hear that's a four gene combo.

~jenny
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