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Albino strain combination

brianlovescheese Feb 14, 2008 12:08 PM

Has anyone ever tried to combine the different albino strains in one animal, or even two strains in one animal? I was just thinking about what kind of outcome that would have when breed into other things.

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olstyn Feb 14, 2008 01:40 PM

If you cross tremper x rainwater or rainwater x bell or bell x tremper, you get normal looking offspring that are heterozygous for both types. I suppose it would be theoretically possible to breed them back to each other and achieve an animal in which both genes were expressed, but if I'm thinking about it correctly, that works out to 1 in 16 animals produced from such a pairing having the desired trait, with lots of normals and a fair number of animals that express one or the other but not both types of albinism in that second generation.
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0.1 Albino Leopard Gecko - Tigger
0.1 Crested Gecko - Pooh-Bear

brianlovescheese Feb 14, 2008 01:55 PM

Well to be positive, it'd take a good bit of time and breeding to get all three in one animal. I've been thinking here lately about trying that conbination. I hope it will result in some weird combinations/new morphs.

geckogrl6 Feb 14, 2008 06:01 PM

I have been pondering the same thing myself for some time. I'm told that double hets are possible and are in fact the result of homo crosses from 2 diff strains. In other forums the consensus seems to be that there are 2 main issues that pose problems if you have any plans to put offspring on the market.
1- how would you know visually if an animal is expressing both albino strains? It's sometimes hard enough to determine which one of the 3 is expressed in a given indiv, how the h#%l do you expect to get any where close to definitive answers re: which 2 of the 3 are expressed (IF thats even possible, and the offspring are both viable and capable of reproduction)
2- say even 1st gen you get a bunch of double hets. Then you sell or give away a few, and the recipient breeds one to a suppossed normal. Out pops an albi- but which kind? You would have to start with a line of say trempers, that are guaranteed to have no gene carriers for either of the other two; AND a line of bells, same thing, no chance of extra floating albi genes. Go for triple hets and you have increased the problems and difficulty exponentially. 3 or 4 gens down, how would anyone know what line they've got?
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1.0 Hypo stripe, Het RW from JL (BJ)
1.0 HypoTang from Crested (Apricot)
1.0 Tremper Albino from Petsmart (Cloud)
0.1 Hi-Yellow Leopard gecko from Petco (Beatrice)
0.1 Stripe female (rehabilitated rescue)(Pepper)
0.1 Jungle het RW hatched by me! (Jungle Bunny)
0.1 SHCT Leopard Gecko from Petco (Brite)
0.1 Tangy Mutt Leopard Gecko from Petco (Rainbow)
0.1 RW Stripe hatched by me! (unnamed yet)
0.1 Leucistic rescue (Lucy?)
0.1 Tremper stripe from JMG (Delta)
0.1 SHCT hatched by me! (Blinky)
0.0.1 SHCTB hatched by me! (Sunny II)
0.1 Ball Pythons
1.0 Brazilian Rainbow Boa
Hatched: ~50 leos

cassadaga Feb 15, 2008 12:47 AM

I think I remember Jodi Aherns doing a project like this, but I could be wrong.

Like everyone else said, it possibly be very difficult to tell visually which strain was which, and even harder to know if one were double homo. The only way to know for sure would be to prove it out through breeding. Although, I'm not sure anyone has ever accomplished it, and it may very well produce a completely new morph. Who knows.

brianlovescheese Feb 16, 2008 11:32 AM

Where theres a will theres a way. It would take a long time, but by the time it was all said and done, a new morph is born possibly? Could this be a TRUE albino expressing all albino traits in the given animal. That would also make it compatible with every albino animal on the market. I think I'm going to try for it. Or at least a two albino combo.

groundgeckofreak Feb 16, 2008 01:21 PM

I have made a double homo bell tremper albino.Some people do not belive me because i do not have a pic.I had babys from.
Rainwater X Bell
Rainwater X Tremper
Bell X Tremper
Now to make the tremper bell it took 3.5-4 years to do and many babys to hold back,and you need to keep track of each baby it gets to be very long,and a huge paper trail to keep up with.
I would use 2 females for each X so that can be up 15+ double het babys from each X.
And alot of people got mad at me for doing this,they would say it is wrong.And if you do do this and you sell any of the babys the people buying them need to be told they are X with other albinos.Have fun.
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Jodi L Aherns
612.802.3980
www.groundgeckofreak.com

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