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I recently heard of this. Is anyone working with this kingsnake/milksnake cross. I heard it was made by Scarlet Kingsnake to eastern Milksnake. I have also heard that this theory was incorrect. I would love to see some pictures. Or know if anyone plans to produce this year.

There is a lot of debate over this issue, whether Coastal Plains Milks Lamprolpeltis triangulum "temporalis" are a natural intergrade of Triangulum X Elapsoides or a true ssp. A lot of people in the hobby, myself included, believe that they are a relict ssp., and deserve recognition as such. There are a few people that work with locale and morphs of "Temporalis". Brad McKowen (StretchX), Tony Dongarra (TonyD.), and Ted Thompson of Susquehanna Ectotherms. As far as captive hybrids of Triangulum X Elapsoides, I know it has been done, but I have not personally seen the offspring. Tony has an article on Kingsnake.com that touches on the subject. I'll add a link below.

Here's a pic of my adult male St. Marys Co. Maryland
Coastal

And one of his '07 offspring.

I hope that helps answer your question.
-Phil
Link

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>>There is a lot of debate over this issue, whether Coastal Plains Milks Lamprolpeltis triangulum "temporalis" are a natural intergrade of Triangulum X Elapsoides or a true ssp. A lot of people in the hobby, myself included, believe that they are a relict ssp., and deserve recognition as such. There are a few people that work with locale and morphs of "Temporalis". Brad McKowen (StretchX), Tony Dongarra (TonyD.), and Ted Thompson of Susquehanna Ectotherms. As far as captive hybrids of Triangulum X Elapsoides, I know it has been done, but I have not personally seen the offspring. Tony has an article on Kingsnake.com that touches on the subject. I'll add a link below.
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>>Here's a pic of my adult male St. Marys Co. Maryland
>>Coastal
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>>And one of his '07 offspring.
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>>I hope that helps answer your question.
>>-Phil
>>Link
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>>Work is the curse
>>of the drinking class!

Thanks for the link. I appreciate it. I really want to pick up a pair or so in the next year. I reall like the way they look. Thanks again. you plan on having offspring this year.

Years ago Brad and I crossed a SK to an upper NJ "coastal" which looked every bit an eastern. Of the two eggs laid one hatched out looking like a coastal. A nice one at that but it was small and did not survive. I would suspect that if it had it would have been indistinguishable from the real thing. At least by looks.

Hey Tony,
Did you make it to Wings last Monday? Sorry I couldn't make it.
It's pretty hard to justify driving three hours each way, just for a couple of beers and hot wings with Howie. LOL!!!! Now beer wings and herping, that's a different story. I'll definitely be there this spring. Coastals beware! See you then. I have both Scarlet Kings, and Eastern Milks. I just find it hard to believe that a small Eastern female and a large Scarlet male could breed without the male being eaten. It would be interesting to see what the results would be though.
-Phil
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Work is the curse
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Yes a rather large group was there this time around.

Actually Phil the Scarlet jumped on the female eastern almost immediately! The whole thing made me start to wonder about the integrade question but what happens in captivity does not speak to what happens in the wild.

Looking forward to a little spring time tromping myself! Been contemplatign hitting some interesting areas that mighnt not be real productive but should hold some treasures!

well Tim I can vouch for Tony D. and his coastals. I got a trio from him and they are doing and look great. Thanks again Tony.
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