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Went to the Hamburg show today and came home with a pair of baby Fox snakes thet are real sweet. They already ate a f/t pinkie each. I also got a pair of nice orange spunky Everglades yearlings. There was a guy selling scaleless Texas rat snakes. Two grand a pair. I allways thought that trait could not be passed down. But he had multiple pairs. They were active and strange looking. I obviously did not purchase them nor do I want to. But I would think they need some special care as far as their skin goes because they have no protection. Also could thermoregulation be a problem with them? Cheers Greg

From what I remember, scaleless snakes need assistance with shedding, and temps and humidity must be tightly controlled.

Personally, I think they are godawful ugly and pitiful; I can't comprehend keeping or breeding them. But, ce la vie, it goes to show you never can tell.

John D
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I am so not lesdysxic!

0.1 Creamsicle Cornsake
1.0 Bairds Ratsnake
0.1 Desert Kingsnake
1.1 Eastern Kingsnakes

Yeah,.....I can't say that those are at the top of my list to acquire and produce. They are quite the strange oddity to say the least!!!

Brian Barczyc of BHB has some of those, as well as at least a couple other people. I "googled" those scaleless Texas Rats a while back, and the owner of one claims he has never had a problem with the snake shedding. It's funny how vivid the colors are in the pattern of those scaleless Texas Rats!.

~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

While you were at the Hamburg show did you notice a stand from Hellfire Reptiles? And if so did they have any Subocs? They are supposed to be at the Mars PA show tomorrow.

I can't say I saw them there. However they usualy are. I did look for Trans pecos and saw none at the show. The show was not that great. Most of the animals there were ones I saw at the last 3 shows that did not sell. I also felt the prices were no bargin either at the show. I think many people did not attend due to the weather. There were way too many hybrids I did not care to see.(no offense) One of them was a Yellow rat crossed with an emory. Dont try this at home. Besides being a hybrid it was just plain ugly. I did see one morph a guy had I somewhat regret not buying. Brindle ratsnakes. They were really nice looking.

Are you looking to get a hold of Hellfire? I could relay a message for you tomorrow if you needed me to.

Redmoon,
This is probably getting to you too late. But if not, I am looking for subocs and have called HellFire as well as emailed them, with no response. They probably were getting ready for Hamburg. If they have any you can let me know on this thread. Thanks.

Funny the scaleless ones I saw today looked similar to that one. It almost looks painful to be one of them.

Yeah, they're pretty morbid looking!, I bet handling one would be like holding your own @%&*!..LOL!!!

Of course I don't mean a hatchling!..hhhahaahaha!!!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Hey guy,
Were the Fox Snakes Eastern or Western?
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Either way, they are much overlooked animals; robust, tame down, and eat like pigs.
I am really starting to think that folks who have trouble with them are not feeding them enough!
They are bottomless pits (no pun intended) and seem to digest large meals quickly.
They like the mid 70s, so they also do well in homes in the south, if kept inside where it is air conditioned.
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On the scaleless TX Rat.... I'm holding out for a "toothless" TX Rat!
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Regards, Bill McGighan

I was told the fox snakes were Eastern when I asked. I was concerned because the were extreemly skinny and under weight. But they were active and only $25 each. So I bought them. When I got home and they ate right away. I figured they were probally not feed enough. I went on the ks. classifieds lastnight and saw an adult pair for sale in the other section so I bought them too. We will see what happens. Cheers Greg

See if these old 2005 posts help any.
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forums.kingsnake.com/viewarch.php?id=777489,780216&key=2005
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forums.kingsnake.com/viewarch.php?id=777489,780217&key=2005

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Regards, Bill McGighan

"Note This is measured from neck to cloacae (not to tip of tail)".

Why did you refer to the tail blotching on those animals(one 14, the other 15), when the blotch counts are supposed to be taken from the neck to the cloaca. This is even noted in the text you quoted from other literature in the scientific community. neck to cloaca is the standard for counting blotches, and RBR(red body rings) in milksnakes,(triangulum) and others as well.

Just trying to understand the relevance.

best regards, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

LOL
Yeah, Doug,
That seems strange at first, doesn't it?
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I was trying to indicate where the cloaca was on these animals, since I didn't put an arrow in the pic.
In other words, count from the tip up and that is the location of the cloaca. Now count from there to the head for the important blotch count.
Sorry for the confusion.
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Regards, Bill McGighan

Now I see what you meant..LOL!

And I think Foxes are VERY VERY underrated as you do. Nice animals you have Bill!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

I will count the blotches either monday or tuesday, because I just feed them testerday. I don't want to risk having them regurge. They have been in their caves all day.

One of the little fox snakes came out for a stroll tonight and I counted the blotches. Looks to be about 40.

I keep my scaleless just like the rest of my snakes and have never had any of the problems people talk about.