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Some comments on the USGS study map.....

Kelly_Haller Feb 24, 2008 01:34 PM

I have been following with interest the previous threads on the Kingsnake Forums regarding the USGS map controversy. The logic they have used to make these potential range maps is extremely oversimplified and also quite in error. The process by which they used average temperature data to construct these maps is, on the surface, a good logical first step. Although other criteria such as available food supply at all life stages, shelter, water, etc. are important factors, climate is still definitely a major determining factor on range distribution. However, they somehow lost sight of the big picture after they moved forward from that point. They obviously made several major errors in their process of determining the assumed maximum extent of the distribution of this species in the U.S.

The first error was using the natural extreme northern range of Python molurus molurus, the Indian python, in their calculations regarding potential range extensions for the Burmese python, Python molurus bivittatus. They are correct in that P.m.molurus has as it’s northern most distribution, the northern Indus valley in northern Pakistan. The farthest north that this species has been found in Pakistan is about 33.5 degrees north latitude. On the other hand, P.m.bivittatus has only been recorded as far north as approximately 26.5 degrees north latitude both in southeast China and in northern Myanmar, formerly Burma.

The average annual coolest month daily temps for the northern most range of P.m.molurus in Pakistan are interesting. The average coolest month temp range is 60 to 65 F as a daily high and about 40 F as a nighttime low. However, the pythons indigenous to this area have evolved to survive in these temperatures, are a separate species, and are in no way related to any burmese pythons in the U.S. When looking at the same data for P.m.bivittatus, the average annual coolest month daily temps for their northern most range are slightly higher. The average coolest month temp range for this species is 65 to 70 F as daily highs and about 45 to 50 F as extreme nighttime lows. Once again however, the python populations native to these northern latitude areas have evolved over hundreds of thousands of years in these cooler climates. I would say without hesitation that probably 99% of the burmese pythons in the U.S. today are from original stock taken from southeast asian latitudes where the average daily coolest month nighttime lows never drop below 60 or 65 F. They are not cool climate representatives of the species, and are not genetically adapted to cooler, yet survivable climates like their northern conspecifics.

The second issue is the obvious mapping error with regards to the northern extent to which the burmese pythons might be expected to move north out of Florida. This is where it was obvious that they took the easy way out and made little effort to try and extrapolate the geographical climate data from the natural range distribution of this species. No disrespect intended, and I know he is not fully responsible for how the study was completed, but I would completely disagree with the comment in Mr. Rodda’s letter that “a rational process was used to derive the climate envelope that was then mapped onto the US”. Furthermore, contrary to what the say on the USGS website, these new “climate match” range maps definitely do not “show where climate in the U.S. is similar to places in which Burmese pythons live naturally”. That is purely bad science. I do not know who constructed this map, but I do know exactly how they came up with it. It appears that all they did was take the most current weather data on the average annual monthly daily low temp for city’s across the U.S. that corresponded to about 32 F, and then overlay that line on a U.S. map. I downloaded the weather data for numerous cities’s across the U.S. and mapped it myself. My map was very close to theirs except in the Oklahoma area where my line went across the southern portion of that state instead of the northern area as in their map. Apparently the scientists working on this project are under the erroneous assumption that P.m.bivattatus can survive anywhere the average daily low winter temps don’t drop below freezing. That shows a complete lack of understanding regarding the autecology of this species.

When I mapped for survivability of P.m.molurus based on climate data alone from their northern most range in Pakistan, I had a maximum northern range line in the U.S. from Savannah, GA to Mobile, AL to Baton Rouge, LA to San Antonio, TX. However, this was based solely on average temperatures and did not take into account suitable available habitat throughout the range, and did not take into account unusually cool years where temps would still fall below lethal limits. When putting together this same map from data for the burmese python, the survivability line is much farther south into Florida. I personally do not believe from this data that the burmese python could maintain a long-term viable, self-sustaining population, anywhere north of an east-west line through about Sarasota. I also intend to contact Mr. Rodda and express my concerns about how the data was compiled and interpreted in their study.

Kelly

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boaphile Feb 24, 2008 02:41 PM

One other potentially huge issues I think that was also overlooked is "human developmental barriers". "Human developmental barriers" is a term I just made up. There may be a scientifically recognized term for this. The United States of America is not the same as underdeveloped South East Asia.

Certainly some Pythons have become established in Florida, and on rare occasions have been seen in areas that are developed. However, these instances must be in locations that are in very close proximity to areas that are, in effect, wilderness and prime habitat. Prime habitat, that is undeveloped wilderness, even if the climate was conducive to it, is a rare thing in most of the Southern areas this fellow's illogical map details. The fact that the vast majority of these areas are developed, makes them rotten places to live. This is especially true if you happen to need to be at least 10' long in order to procreate. In the United States, southern areas or otherwise, the vast majority of lands are farmed or ranched. These areas have farmers coming through with $200,000 tractors pulling a 30' wide disc chopping anything in it's path to bits. They have massive combines chomping and harvesting everything in their path. leaving in their wake shreds of waste. These facts, if they don't make it impossible for Burmese Pythons to move North, would certainly dramatically slow the progress of such.

These farming fact is in stark contrast to places in Asia where most of the land is worked by hand. It is an easy thing to slide away if a farmer is hacking away near by with a hoe. It is much more difficult to take off if a John Deere is bearing down on you with those 10,000 pound liquid filled wheels.

There are already many species that are geographically isolated due man's development of the land. This is already a fact. In fact some species live in only very small pockets throughout the United States and no longer have continuous ranges due to the development of the land by mankind. To ignore this and assume that poorly analyzed climatic data be the only factor, in the possibility of the expansion of a species, is patently not only inaccurate but fundamentally dishonest. I imagine that if this range map was completed with facts in mind, it would have been far more limiting and thus much less memorable than the map that was developed is. This map was developed assuming that the climatic averages, poorly analyzed, were all that was necessary for a very large animal to expand it's range. Of course there are many other factors such as food supply, predation of neonates, temperature extremes, roadways and many other ignored facts that all have a detrimental impact upon existing species let alone the establishment of a new species, especially of a large species like the Burmese Python.

All of this is really a moot point because the climate alone would not allow the feared Burmese Python to move North anyhow.
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Kelly_Haller Feb 24, 2008 06:27 PM

Line 3 in paragraph 3 should read "separate sub-species".

HappyHillbilly Feb 24, 2008 08:03 PM

Get 'em, Kelly! Git 'er done. Hahaha!!!

Good post.

Something about using reported temperatures of cities: Cities, regardless of the country they're in, I believe, typically have higher temperatures than surrounding desolate areas. You touched base on this with mentioning the fact that though some pythons are found north & south but not necessarily in between.

For instance: I live in between Murphy, NC and Chattanooga, TN (closer to Murphy). I live waaayyy out in the boonies, nothin' but woods. While Chattanooga & Murphy daily highs are usually within a few degrees of each other our temps here at my house are typically 10 - 15 degrees cooler. That can make a lot of difference.

Boaphile, your post was also good, something else to be considered.

Thanks to ya'll for sharing your thoughts. Ya'll take care!
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Kelly_Haller Feb 25, 2008 09:23 PM

and that is a good point. The heat island effect formed around the cores of larger cities does produce measurably higher temps than the surround rural areas. NWS and NOAA weather stations are therefore located away from the main urban areas of larger cities and out around the outskirts in almost all cases for the very reason you stated. Also, good point you made about average winters in northern Alabama and Georgia, they would definitely be lethal to any burmese.

Kelly

ArtInScales Feb 26, 2008 06:01 PM

We just returned from the NARBC in Arlington, so I haven't had a chance to read all the info on this, but it seems like some good ammo for the USF&W interstate ban. If they get their hands on this info, they will use this science fiction to push their case.

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