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Here are some pics of the Sinaloans I posted awhile ago. Even though they came from reputable breeders, there still is a question of what they are exactly, but they are definitely some of the “brightest” non-hypo milks I have seen. These pics are about a week after shedding.

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"The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think. Oh by the way, which ones pink?"

great pics man, I still say conanti but could have some oligozona in them as well? hard to say but of the thousands of siniloans I have seen over my life they just aren't right.
Great looking snakes though.

Shannon

here is one of my orange conanti.

here is one of my oligozona.

Well, I was extremely doubtful about these before, but I have looked into these a little more a while back. Although they "look" very different than most would be used to seeing(me included), the meristical characteristics do seem to concur with most other forms of sinaloae. Cosala, Mexico locality sinaloans have a "trademark" funny colored snout(reds/whites)and are absolutely true Sinaloans known for these strange snouts, and also average a somewhat lower RBR(red body rings) count.

The snout on the one you pictured could very well be just a sort of strange looking one even for the Cosala Sinaloans, but I have seen many Casala animals with their snouts being extremely variable, in freckled pattern, as well as the coloring. Many times their snouts can even have two or three colors involved.

The triads(rings of three) and their spacing also look proportionate as well. I can't see an "overall" view, so I don't know exactly what it's total RBR count is to the cloaca, but Sinaloan's typically have 10-16 red body rings.

I have seen several different lines of Sinaloan on a particular website, including Lemke-lines(Cosalas), Sanders-line (Cosalas, and several other types, and they are the "real deal" Sinaloans. This same site has some apricots on it as well, and they look identicle to the ones you have.

From what I can see, these are probably genuine, and if they aren't, someone did a good job of back-breeding them to revert back to more of a Sinaloan lineage.

Here is a pic of a few I saw.

~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Much like you and Shannon, I am unsure. They may have been unknowingly crossed years ago, or have an intergrade in their backgound. Either way I guess it will always be speculation as to what they are. Even with the questionable background I still think they are sweet.
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"The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think. Oh by the way, which ones pink?"

Nice looking snakes, they look sinaloan to me (but as Shannon said most sinaloans are a mix with nelsons and visa versa). Do you have any pics of the parents? The look like what my apricots did as hatchlings.

Best,
Vinny
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Vinny,

No I didn't breed these, I brought them from Bob Deptula at White Plains. He is pretty reliable and has been around a while. He purchased the male father to these about 10 yrs ago from Wes Pollock, another dependable breeder (from what i am told). When I emailed Wes he remembered selling the snakes to Bob, and said the line throws the apricots and some abberent patterns as well.

I can only hope they mature to look like the one you posted.
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"The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think. Oh by the way, which ones pink?"

LOL, thats awesome! I bought my pair from same person, same show about 5 years ago now. Well, I know they will end up being killer adults

Vinny
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

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Forgot to mention that my pair throws a lot of abberant patterns as well!
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

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