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The Origin of Burmese Pythons in Florida

plindsey Feb 27, 2008 11:39 PM

A little historical consideration makes it clear that the Florida population of Burmese Pythons can be traced to the early 1970s when the military closed down "Project Squeezer" the top secret CIA study to determine the feasibility of using large pythons to destroy the tunnel complexs being encountered by US forces in Vietman. The idea behind the project was that pythons could be fed eviscerated pig carcasses which had been stuffed with C-4 charges and would then seek shelter inside NVA or VC constructed tunnel complexes where they would penetrate deeply inside the structure before timers detonated the explosives.

This program was funded under a "black" appropriation made to a research unit of the Army Veterinary Corps and involved the importation of several thousand adult molurus from Thailand, the majority of which were landed at Homestead AFB in Fairchild C-114 aircraft after originally being sent out of the USAF base at Takli, Thailand packed in refrigerated conex boxes which had originally contained fresh Florida citrus supplies for the base personnel and were being returned for reshipment. The snakes themselves were purchased by CIA field operatives throughout Thailand, Laos and Cambodia from indigenous peoples who were more than happy to exchange them for weapons and medical supplies. They were then transported to Takli aboard small "Air America" aircraft for export.

In 1971 this program came under scrutiny by Army command staff and was eventually disowned as "The stupidest GD idea that the Spooks have come up with since they tried to kill Fidel with an exploding cigar", as an unnamed General Officer put it, the Army withdrew all support for the program and basically told the CIA they had 30 days to get out of Dodge and take their snakes with them. Undaunted, the CIA operatives in charge of the program attempted to salvage something from the years of effort and loaded the 728 snakes currently in the facility (which was inside a public access forbidden area of ENP where the daily KRUMMPH! of exploding pythons would pass unnoticed) onto a shrimp boat with the intent of transporting them to Cuba where they would be covertly released into the sugar cane fields in the hope of forcing a general strike amongst cane workers in the 1972 harvest year and causing a serious rift in Soviet/Cuban relations.

This ship was crewed by a small cadre of Cuban exiles, under the command of a former Cuban naval ensign, who had somehow managed to avoid deployment during the "Bay of Pigs" invasion and had since been inhabiting a CIA safe house in Coral Gables watching "I love Lucy" reruns and running the A/C on high.

Unfortunately, due to the influence of a strong current, an improperly calibrated compass and a half gallon of Bacardi Dark rum the boats skipper made a slight error in Navigation and what he thought was the SE corner of Cuba was actually the SW tip of the Florida peninsula. Regardless, they bravely fulfilled their mission to the best of their ability and all 727 snakes (minus one that the team leader kept for a pair of boots) slithered dutifully into the night to attain their place in history alongside the Army Air Force's thermite toting bats of WW2 fame and the Navy's limpet mine carrying Dolphins that are still swimming around off San Diego (I'm NOT making this up).

Although it is impossible to verify, rumor has it that a couple of young graduate students who were involved in this project are still employed by the USGS and that part of their research program involves keeping tabs on the errant population of freedom fighting pythons and their efforts to survive so far from the jungles they once called home. In recent years the main thrust of these efforts have been to shift the blame for the introduction of the animals from the CIA unto the shoulders of private reptile hobbyists in the hope that no one will ever realize exactly how f'ed up the government is when it comes to doing anything useful.

I got this information from my step brother who was a USAF air policeman at Takli in 1969 and 70 and frequently spent his evenings drinking Mai Tais with the crew chief of an Air America "Otter" A/C and a Air Force commissary M/SGT who was responsible for delivering the conex containers to the Air America hanger where the snakes were loaded. He later was stationed at HAFB (1974 and 75) where he encountered the erstwhile Cuban shrimp boat commander who was working as a gardener at the base NCO club and was driven to comment on the exquisite Python skin boots that the man wore and ask where he might get a similar pair. The gardener was only too happy to relate exactly what had transpired so many years ago.

And now you know the rest of the story.

Be well all!

Peter
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Replies (12)

MadAxeMan Feb 28, 2008 06:49 AM

Even if this was an actual military experiment which is plausible because it has "project X" written all over it. My trouble with buying this whole thing is that burmese pythons cannot handle cold temperatures or dry air both of which occur here even in the everglades in the winter time. Temperatures even in the everglades do occasionally drop below freezing and in spite of what the tourists may tell you about fl. humidity it does get rather dry in the winter and in fact where I live in North central fl it is relatively dry year round. Not exactly conducive to burmese pythons spreading north. In fact the temps for yesterday and today right here would stop a burm dead in it's tracks Right now the outside temp is at 32f yesterdays high was 56f for Orlando and although I didn't actually check I can tell you it didn't get that warm at my house (I would estimate about 52f to 54f here.) And it will once again be only in the mid to upper 50's today as well. In fact I'll make you an offer do you have a Burmese python you want to kill??? Bring it to my house next winter and keep it in an outdoor cage. I will garauntee you it will die before the end of winter. It is going to take a lot of "Global warming " before burms can even breed and live in south fl. (something I totally think is a load of crap.)much less spread north. As for the everglades pop. of burms. I think they are a combination of snakes dumped by their owners not only from here but from states in the northeast that have laws against keeping burms but are in close proximity to states who do not have such laws. Once the snake you bought in pottstown is too big to hide in your NYC apartment... well...it's time for a trip to uncle joe's condo in boca and side trip to the glades. People may think I am crazy for that but burms were not really on the radar for being out there until coincidentally several states in the northeast with N.Y. in particular passed such laws. Before that it was only an occasional find of a burm and all you really heard about was Iguanas, brown basilsks and a few other species that were turned loose or escaped from importers. btw on a final note of all this if burms a going to move north how come iguanas have not they are much more cold tolerant than burms(first hand experience I keep mine outdoors just about year round with supplemental heat.) and they get turned loose or escape in much greater numbers.

herpsltd Feb 28, 2008 11:22 AM

is NO doubt that Burmese are flourishing south of Lake Okeechobee paticularly in s.e. Fl. including the entire Everglades area. I know this for a FACT. That is not hearsay but unfortunately the truth. Having said that I don't believe they will go north of Lake Okeechobee. Climatic conditions as well as terrain are NOT favorable for expansion. I don't know if the post about the C.I.A. is true or not but the Burmese are here to stay. They have been found as far west as the Shark River which is 50-60 miles from ANY road and as far north as a 15' plus snake I found as a roadkill on Hiway 29 just north of Alligator Alley. Just 5 weeks ago I found an 8' snake just north of the Park entrance. It is my belief that they have been here for a very LONG TIME but just were unnoticed. Take a map and check out where the Shark River is located in extreme s.w. Fl. They didn't spread that far in 10-15 years. Their origin remains unknown but is probably due to many factors including natural disasters. Regardless the threat is blown way out of proportion to any real concerns...TC

lbenton Feb 28, 2008 12:27 PM

One way to slow it down (it will likely never be stopped) would be allow people to hunt them everywhere... even in Everglades National Park. They could set up a permit system and offer training to weed out the folks that would abuse the opportunity. Simple fact is that a great many folks would make a trip every year to go catch some burms or other exotics in South FL. This would not only help address the problem but would also generate some revenue for the state and the park that could be used to put even more pressure on these exotics.

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brhaco Feb 28, 2008 04:56 PM

Definitely the burms are a permanent part of the Florida ecosystem-but I'm sure the federal and state government will waste millions (that would be far better spent on combatting invasives that cause far more damage, like fire ants) in a vain attempt to eliminate them.

I also agree they won't spread beyond Okeechobee-Orlando at the absolute most...
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brhaco Feb 28, 2008 08:05 AM

LOVE it, Peter-this has "first novel" written all over it!!
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Brad Chambers
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keown Feb 28, 2008 08:41 AM

LOL,

Bra,d that was my exact thought also...it has all the makings of a good novel.
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Gerald Keown
Southwestern Center for Herpetological Research
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mfoux Feb 28, 2008 12:59 PM

Get Samuel L. Jackson involved and sell the movie rights.
Thinking of all the swamp grass...maybe "Snakes in the Cane."
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thecaiman Feb 28, 2008 10:27 PM

alot or pets but the majority are ones that escape during the hurricanes, it really doesnt matter
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MadAxeMan Feb 29, 2008 06:38 AM

For all the stuff you keep coming up with It is obvious to me that your only knowledge of Florida is what you watch on the evening network news or what you read on the internet or perhaps an occasional trip to that "rat's nest" just south of Orlando. Although I was not here during Andrew and I did hear it caused some problems like this. I have lived here through just about every other hurricane that has hit this state including the four that hit in 2004 (direct hit from 3 indirect hit from last one.) based on the actual damage that happens (and yes they do damage) and comparing it to what I was seeing on the national news I can tell you that the media blows everything way out of proportion. So let me tell you what I have learned from actually living through hurricanes I have learned that my outdoor cages can withstand a catagory 3 hurricane sittng directly over my house for three days and not sustain any damage and not have anything escape. I have at this point had 2 catagory 3 hurricanes a catagory 1 or 2 hurricanes (can't remember now ...there were so many that year I started to loose track.) and various other cat. 1 to 3 hurricanes usually only outer bands of most of these. It is to the point that if it is going to be a 3 or less I don't bother to bring anything inside anymore. But what do I know I'm not watching the news I just live here. It is the same with the temperature thing and the burms. In spite of my initial doubts I will defer to what Tom Cructhfield mentioned about them in the Glades yesterday but you will also noticed that he mentioned that the population numbers are blown way out of proportion and that he mentioned that he doesn't think they will not get much further north than the southern edge of lake okeechobee (have you ever been to yeehaw junction during a cold front...I have it gets cold real cold.) It has been much too cold for burms up here in central fl. the last 2 days (at or below freezing at nights low to mid 50's during the day.) and while it is a little late in the year for fronts this cold it's not unheard of and it certainly isn't unusual for winter here. If global warming is going to help burmese pythons move north it has a long way to go.

jscrick Feb 28, 2008 11:28 PM

That is one great story. Get that director that does all the conspiracy films, like JFK, to do an adaption.
Cha-ching! You're in the money. Urban legend thing.
jsc
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Bighaze Feb 29, 2008 02:09 PM

First of all the idea that people will drive to the glads just to let go a burm is about as dumb as the thought the gov can stop them from breeding there.

and that is as dumb as the thought a ban will help get ride of them.

I'm sure a few would, but they would be the ones who think it would be cool.......the same ones who thought it would be cool to buy that 12' snake at the pet store for $50.

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HydraZulu Mar 03, 2008 04:35 PM

This has all the same ridiculous blown-out-of-proportion-ness (lol) that all of the "My brother told me, that a old drunk sea captain told him, that...." stories have. A really funny story, but nothing i would expect anybody to believe.
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