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Since I was recently told on the Milksnake Forum that what I thought was (and was advertised as) a male "Jalisco Milksnake" was not L. Arcifera, but indeed L. Ruthveni, I thought I'd come over to this forum and show you a recent pic of my guy "Tweek". He's about 30-31" at about 2.5 yrs old.

Walt

but that's my opinion.
Russ

Not an annulata, he had some good belly shots on another thread. I looked at it quite a while, and ruthveni is the best I could come up with.
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its a western ruthveni for sure.Probably from Tapalapa Jalsico area.They were thought to be jalisco milks for many many years.
L8r Shannon

here is a pair of my "jalisco" ruthveni.

this one was actually sold as a "Jalisco Milksnake", so someone was still wrapped around the common name confusion.

I think the mix up can be attributed to Williams in 78 when he threw out ruthveni about a year before new ruthveni collections were made by Gartska and Wagner. Now without a name those snakes were incorrectly called arcifera per Williams. The confusion persists nearly 30 years later.

There were good and real "arcifera" in zoos at that time (SA Zoo had them) but no or very few ruthven's in collections until a few years later.
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Snakes from Tapalpa don't have that headshape.

You said "Snakes from Tapalpa don't have that head shape".

Just to be clear, which head shape don't the ones from Tapalpa have? The one in the original posters picture, or the ones in Shannon's picture?

>>You said "Snakes from Tapalpa don't have that head shape".
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>> Just to be clear, which head shape don't the ones from Tapalpa have? The one in the original posters picture, or the ones in Shannon's picture?

I'm sure he means Walt's snake (the original poster). There are some more photos of the snake over on these threads:

Juvie pics forums.kingsnake.com/viewarch.php?id=998905,998905&key=2006

More pics
forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1480141,1480516

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