Reptile & Amphibian Forums

Cage cleaning day, and also I'm now in front of the computer on the phone with Vonage tech support for the 3rd #*(&@& time in 2 days. Anyway, here are a few pics, it was pretty neat how Jack's belly scales refracted the sunlight...

Thanks for looking,
Ed

Very nice, so he wants to be a rainbow boa when he grows up????
-----
Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

No Dave, he only wants to eat Rainbow Boas when he groes up.

>>Very nice, so he wants to be a rainbow boa when he grows up????
>>-----
>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>Dave Colling
>>
>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
>>
>>
>>
>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>
>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

LOL, you are what you eat?
-----
Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Yeah, I think I'm confusing him by always posting his pics on
the Rainbow Boa forum!

>>Very nice, so he wants to be a rainbow boa when he grows up????
>>-----
>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>Dave Colling
>>
>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
>>
>>
>>
>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>
>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

well I think that's what I am looking at anyway. How the poop with that specimen ? I noticed if I feed my Pines chicks the poop is much worse then when one uses rodent prey. I think I read you discussing this and saying something about fish, maybe not, I thought so though.

Please elaborate ?

>>Cage cleaning day, and also I'm now in front of the computer on the phone with Vonage tech support for the 3rd #*(&@& time in 2 days. Anyway, here are a few pics, it was pretty neat how Jack's belly scales refracted the sunlight...
>>
>>Thanks for looking,
>>Ed
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
-----
Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

I once fell from a 50' tree with many branches that slowed my decent and landed directly on my back on a large rock...

My best friend said...Dude are you ok ?...

I said...Give me 5 minutes...

"No sir...I didn't like it..." R&S.

LOL

Thanks. Yes, he's an eastern Indigo.

I haven't tried feeding him chicks/quail (or any type of
fowl) yet. I've had him on diet of probably 80% anoles and
20% fish for the last 3 months or so. The poop situation
has improved dramatically - much less frequency and not as
stinky - as opposed to the all mouse diet he was originally on.
At one point, I actually thought of getting rid of him. It was
that bad. My personal belief is that Indigos eat a low fat diet
in the wild (ie, mostly lizards, snakes, fish, frogs). Rodents and fowl, especially domestic, are higher fat foods. Anyway, I don't know much about Pine snakes, but it might be worth an experiment if you think wild ones might have a low fat diet also. (Of course, it might not be convenient for you to get lizards. Also, they are expensive if you have to get them shipped!)

Here's a nutritional breakdown that I used to try to figure things out:

http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/zoo/WholePreyFinal02May29.pdf

Thanks,
Ed

>>well I think that's what I am looking at anyway. How the poop with that specimen ? I noticed if I feed my Pines chicks the poop is much worse then when one uses rodent prey. I think I read you discussing this and saying something about fish, maybe not, I thought so though.
>>
>>Please elaborate ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Cage cleaning day, and also I'm now in front of the computer on the phone with Vonage tech support for the 3rd #*(&@& time in 2 days. Anyway, here are a few pics, it was pretty neat how Jack's belly scales refracted the sunlight...
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for looking,
>>>>Ed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>-----
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Frank Roberts
>>Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research
>>
>>I once fell from a 50' tree with many branches that slowed my decent and landed directly on my back on a large rock...
>>
>>My best friend said...Dude are you ok ?...
>>
>>I said...Give me 5 minutes...
>>
>>"No sir...I didn't like it..." R&S.
>>
>>LOL

>>Thanks. Yes, he's an eastern Indigo.
>>
>>I haven't tried feeding him chicks/quail (or any type of
>>fowl) yet. I've had him on diet of probably 80% anoles and
>>20% fish for the last 3 months or so. The poop situation
>>has improved dramatically - much less frequency and not as
>>stinky - as opposed to the all mouse diet he was originally on.
>>At one point, I actually thought of getting rid of him. It was
>>that bad. My personal belief is that Indigos eat a low fat diet
>>in the wild (ie, mostly lizards, snakes, fish, frogs). Rodents and fowl, especially domestic, are higher fat foods. Anyway, I don't know much about Pine snakes, but it might be worth an experiment if you think wild ones might have a low fat diet also. (Of course, it might not be convenient for you to get lizards. Also, they are expensive if you have to get them shipped!)
>>
>>Here's a nutritional breakdown that I used to try to figure things out:
>>
>>http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/zoo/WholePreyFinal02May29.pdf
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ed
>>
>>
>>>>well I think that's what I am looking at anyway. How the poop with that specimen ? I noticed if I feed my Pines chicks the poop is much worse then when one uses rodent prey. I think I read you discussing this and saying something about fish, maybe not, I thought so though.
>>>>
>>>>Please elaborate ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Cage cleaning day, and also I'm now in front of the computer on the phone with Vonage tech support for the 3rd #*(&@& time in 2 days. Anyway, here are a few pics, it was pretty neat how Jack's belly scales refracted the sunlight...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks for looking,
>>>>>>Ed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>-----
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Frank Roberts
>>>>Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research
>>>>
>>>>I once fell from a 50' tree with many branches that slowed my decent and landed directly on my back on a large rock...
>>>>
>>>>My best friend said...Dude are you ok ?...
>>>>
>>>>I said...Give me 5 minutes...
>>>>
>>>>"No sir...I didn't like it..." R&S.
>>>>
>>>>LOL
>>
>>
-----
Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

I once fell from a 50' tree with many branches that slowed my decent and landed directly on my back on a large rock...

My best friend said...Dude are you ok ?...

I said...Give me 5 minutes...

"No sir...I didn't like it..." R&S.

LOL

thats kinda interesting oddly enough... my corn "jake" i wander is the same way...

i feed an all rodent diet, always have... however when it come to the poop its never smelly except for jake, and man does he get smelly too. i never thought changing his diet would fix that, never really knew there was anything else to feed him.

you mentioned quail, do you think if i switched him over to eating something else like quail there is a chance he would be less stinky?
-----
-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?
-- bearded dragon for the wifey my list got to big...

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

Hey Stephen,

Hard to say, you might want to experiment if you think it's appropriate, and if it's financially and practically feasible. I'm not a corn snake expert, but I've had a few, and I know they will eat lizards.. at least the ones I found down in Florida. And I believe they eat birds also. Maybe a variety of food times would help? Do you live in an area where you can catch anoles/skinks?

I'm not knocking an all-rodent diet, because obviously there are factors like cost and convenience that are at play. But personally, I like to try to give the snake a more "natural" diet. (If you do try lizards, you might want to freeze them before feeding, supposedly that will kill any parasites.)

If you do try something different, please let me know how it goes. It's always good to learn new things about our pets!

Thanks,
Ed

>>thats kinda interesting oddly enough... my corn "jake" i wander is the same way...
>>
>>i feed an all rodent diet, always have... however when it come to the poop its never smelly except for jake, and man does he get smelly too. i never thought changing his diet would fix that, never really knew there was anything else to feed him.
>>
>>you mentioned quail, do you think if i switched him over to eating something else like quail there is a chance he would be less stinky?
>>-----
>>-Stephen-
>>
>>0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
>>1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
>>1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
>>0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
>>0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)
>>
>>hopeful for not to distant future:
>>--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
>> 2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?
>>-- bearded dragon for the wifey my list got to big...
>>
>>more distant future hopefuls
>>1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
>>--anery boa (ooooh)
>>--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
>>--dumeril boa (ahhhh)
>>
>>slightly more wishful thinking
>>--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
>>--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
>>--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

yeah Ed i think i might try that i allready had a sm rat for him last night (all of them ate for me last night) so he ate that but it didnt leave hardly any lump at all, very small small rat. anyways i was thinking about today maybe going to get a few goldfish or something and trying that... i dont know if he will eat them though, he is so used to getting dead rats lol, but hey its worth a try.

in the summer here there are whiptail lizards all over, they are kinda small (wouldnt make much of a meal for him) and they are hard to catch. but ill try

you give Jack feeder anoels right? where do you get those?
-----
-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?
-- bearded dragon for the wifey my list got to big...

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

Sent PM...

ummm okay.... what was sent pm?? lol sorry i donk know that one
-----
-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?
-- bearded dragon for the wifey my list got to big...

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

Sorry, geek talk. Private Message. Let me know if you don't get the e-mail.

Thanks,
Ed

>>ummm okay.... what was sent pm?? lol sorry i donk know that one
>>-----
>>-Stephen-
>>
>>0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
>>1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
>>1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
>>0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
>>0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)
>>
>>hopeful for not to distant future:
>>--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
>> 2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?
>>-- bearded dragon for the wifey my list got to big...
>>
>>more distant future hopefuls
>>1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
>>--anery boa (ooooh)
>>--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
>>--dumeril boa (ahhhh)
>>
>>slightly more wishful thinking
>>--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
>>--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
>>--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

ohh sweet umm where do i check for that?
-----
-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?
-- bearded dragon for the wifey my list got to big...

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

found it, but nothing yet.
-----
-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?
-- bearded dragon for the wifey my list got to big...

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

OOHHHH.... very pretty. He looks like he is growing.
-----
Aubrey Ross

©
www.SlipstreamSerpents.com

Thanks Aubrey. I think he's over 30" now, when I got him he was about 22". He's eating 2 or 3 anoles at a time now. I may need to move him up to bearded dragons pretty soon.

Thanks,
Ed

>>OOHHHH.... very pretty. He looks like he is growing.
>>-----
>>Aubrey Ross
>>
>>©
>>www.SlipstreamSerpents.com