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Concerned about superworms

TSUGeckogirl Mar 03, 2008 01:31 AM

After reading several messages and threads I have a slight concern. I have heard from several respectable herp people that superworms can be dangerous to feed to lizards because they have been known to eat through the stomach if the lizard does not successfully kill the superworm in the process of eating it. They have suggested wax worms instead of superworms.

Of course this is not the sole diet, but given as a treat instead of crickets or is served with greens.

What are ya'lls thoughts on this issue?

Thanks for you time!

Replies (9)

BDlvr Mar 03, 2008 03:48 AM

This has been debated here many times. It is a myth.

I have a rescue I took in in September. He cannot use his back legs and drags himself around. Overall he is not in good condition and often lethargic. A few months agon a superworm got out of his dish and went under him and ate a wound in his belly. Perhaps this is what someone once saw that started the myth.

RMCADguy Mar 03, 2008 07:13 AM

Yeah it is a total myth.

I feed my dragons super worms all the time. In fact, supers are much better than waxworms. Waxworms contain a lot of fat and are not that nutritious for dragons. A good treat though. I know that Pete Weis, one of the first to work with dragons on a large scale, used to feed almost exclusively superworms to his dragons.

Phil

Kribby83 Mar 03, 2008 02:07 PM

Yeah this is a myth.. the Beardies CHEW them!! I have NEVER seen any of my beardies swallow a super worm whole!! don't worry about this! they LOVE supers and they aRE GOOD for beardies just make sure they're gut loaded and kept clean so they dont EAT each other (the super worms will eat each other if not fed properly)

kris
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4.2 Bearded dragons (Lee,Stumpy,Blackie,Spazz,Lynn,Charlotte)
1 Egyptian Uromastyx (Niles)
(Papa Kunja and Uri have recently passed..we love you)

Thank you for your advice!

PHLdyPayne Mar 03, 2008 03:13 PM

I have yet to hear of any real proof superworms can eat themselves out of a living animal of any sort.. they will eat dead animals though...

I did recently have a blue tongue skink get bit by a superworm...the worm somehow got under the skink's tongue before he could kill it, and it bit him... That was when I learned that blue tongue skinks make a pretty loud cry when they are hurting...was able to get the superworm out though..without loosing any fingers.

Now that blue tongue certainly is careful how he eats superworms now...beats them viciously against the sides of the feeding dish now.

So, superworms can bite, but can't eat themselves out of a living animal. Stomach acids kill quite quickly..If not chewed enough to kill the worm, they may bite inside the dragon but they wouldn't live long enough to chew.. Somebody should put an endoscope into a bearded dragon while it eats superworms...and make a video...most stomachs churn and produce more acid when one starts to eat.

Only other way I can see a superworm eating its way out of a bearded dragon is if the worm was still alive and stored in the, for lack of a proper term, the lower throat (dragons tend to pouch food in their throats before swallowing completely...you can notice this when they open their mouths for more food when hand feeding them..you can still see the past meals in their throat, makes me think of a pelican. I suppose the worm could bite through the throat that way, but I think after one bite, the dragon will spit out everything.

But, as just about anything is possible, maybe somewhere many years ago or so very rarely...a reptile is killed by the superworms it ate...but the odds are far far far less than a reptile dying because of impaction caused by ingestion of substrate.

Its about as true as a reptile not growing any bigger than the cage its kept in...(ie your green iguana will stay small if you just leave it in a 20 gal. Never have to buy a bigger cage (for a lizard that on average grows to 4-5' in length...) My theory...it DIES long before it reaches a size where it will be too big for the 20 gal...because of improper husbandry...
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PHLdyPayne

Kribby83 Mar 04, 2008 11:08 AM

yeah, that "grow to the size of the cage" myth is so annoying. Ha ha my ex has our female Lily who was a juvie when we bought her and kept in a too-small cage and she grew to be a HUGE girl! very long.. and full figured might it say! .. I don't know why people think that...
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4.2 Bearded dragons (Lee,Stumpy,Blackie,Spazz,Lynn,Charlotte)
1 Egyptian Uromastyx (Niles)
(Papa Kunja and Uri have recently passed..we love you)

Thank you for your advice!

hollychan Mar 04, 2008 01:16 PM

The intern I work with told me today that her mom has been obsessed with getting a green iguana. I told her how big they get, how they are often very mean as adults, and then suggested a nice Chinese water dragon, since they have a similar appearance and tend to stay fairly small. >_<

What we DON'T need here in Florida are more homeless iguanas turned loose by people who can't take care of them. :P
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Holly

0.1 Lavender California Kingsnake (Lizzie Borden) (missing )
1.0 Florida Kingsnake possible mix (Eddie Gein)
1.0 Bearded Dragon (Charley Manson)
1.0 Orange Marmalade Cat (Oliver)
1.0 Egyptian Arabian (Bagan)

2.0 Toddlers (Justice & Trevor)

PHLdyPayne Mar 04, 2008 03:59 PM

Green iguanas are cool and fascinating lizards..but they are NOT beginner reptiles. Real glad you did point out the prime cons in buying a green iguana.

I wanted to get one myself as my first reptile, but at the time I was living at home and knew my parents will never allow me to have a pet reptile...they wouldn't let me have a cat (My mother assumes or at least worries, I would move out and leave the pet for her to care for...but she was never a pet person...though she was fine with tropical fish though.) So, since I couldn't get a pet while living with my parents, I researched green iguanas so I would know everything I would need to know before I moved out and was ready to buy one.

Best decision I ever made I knew green iguanas did get big (seen enough pictures to realize that) but every thing else...I didn't know. UVB, cage size, how long they live, moodiness etc. I didn't want to be wrestling with a 5' lizard for bed space LOL. My research also had other benefits. I learned about bearded dragons and found kingsnake.com (actually found kingsnake.ca first, but after that it was easy to find kingsnake.com). Been here ever since..

Now, not only do I have great reptile pets and know how to properly care for them...I have learned so much more about reptiles in general, more about proper diet for a bearded dragon than I know about a proper diet for me, have seen more and more growth in the reptile pet industry etc. All because I decided I should know a little bit more about green iguanas before I go buy one
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PHLdyPayne

Hollychan Mar 04, 2008 06:03 PM

My first-ever herp was a green iguana. I played a game at a county fair and won one. The ten-gallon tank they had 30 iguanas in was so disturbing that instead of taking the stuffed iguana as a replacement, I went ahead and took the real lizard. I cared for him to the best of my ability at the time, but the little fellow did not survive. That was also back when everyone was told that hot rocks were the way to go. :P I'm pretty sure it burned him badly, I don't know exactly. I had such little experience with any herp at the time that I probably didn't care for him correctly. It's also possible that he already had a disease of some sort when I won him. I didn't take him to a vet to be examined when I received him, because there weren't any herp vets around at the time.

I still feel very bad about that, but in hindesight, it was probably a good thing for two reasons, one, that he would've gotten too big for me to handle and two, it was such a learning experience that I'll never own a herp without at the very least some knowledge of their care (pet books, forums, care sheets, etc.). R.I.P. Louie (named after the Budweiser lizard) There are pictures of him floating around somewhere, I'll see if I can find those. He was very sweet during the time that I had him.
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Holly

0.1 Lavender California Kingsnake (Lizzie Borden) (missing )
1.0 Florida Kingsnake possible mix (Eddie Gein)
1.0 Bearded Dragon (Charley Manson)
1.0 Orange Marmalade Cat (Oliver)
1.0 Egyptian Arabian (Bagan)

2.0 Toddlers (Justice & Trevor)

Hollychan Mar 04, 2008 06:03 PM

....spelling correction. :P
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Holly

0.1 Lavender California Kingsnake (Lizzie Borden) (missing )
1.0 Florida Kingsnake possible mix (Eddie Gein)
1.0 Bearded Dragon (Charley Manson)
1.0 Orange Marmalade Cat (Oliver)
1.0 Egyptian Arabian (Bagan)

2.0 Toddlers (Justice & Trevor)

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