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i'm just curious. i have a pair of bulls, and i was wondering if without knowing what they are het for what they are likely to produce offspring wise. the male is hypo, all yellow and orange and white with no dark colors. they female is snow, albino white sided. i would assume there would be a mix of visible traits in the offspring, but i'm not sure. that's why i asked thanks....
jonathan

If the male is actually a hypo and not het for anything and the female is a snow and not het for anything then you will produce all normal looking babies that are triple het.They will actually be het for hypo,amel,whiteside,ghost,snow and hypo snow (triple homo).
Now, they are probably het for something these days so if you see any visual morphs you will be able to figure out what they are het for etc..
Fun stuff,

L8r Shannon

thanks for the info shannon! it is some fun stuff. i'm trying to track down the breeders and find out their genetics, but it's nice to know in case i don't find out, and for future reference. i'm just a small time hobbyist, but i enjoy learning. thanks again....

jonathan

alright, i was mistaken. the male is amelinistic not hypo. he said the only thing he might be het for is amel.
another question though. how would you produce visible traits if the parents weren't het? if the parents are het won't that make the offspring het also? i'm just trying to learn here thanks....
jonathan

alright, i was mistaken. the male is amelinistic not hypo. he said the only thing he might be het for is amel.
another question though. how would you produce visible traits if the parents weren't het? if the parents are het won't that make the offspring het also? i'm just trying to learn here thanks....
jonathan

If your male is amel (he can't be amel and het for amel) then you will get amel's all het for whiteside. What Shannon was saying is that you won't get visible traits if your animals aren't het for anything. Lets say for example that you thought your animals (whom for the sake of example were both normal appearing animals) were het for axanthic. You don't know that for sure so you breed them and out pops some axanthics. Then you know for sure that both of your breeders are het for axanthic. On the other hand if all your babies hatch out normal, then you know your animals are not het for axanthic (or at least not both). Hope that makes sense. If not just elaborate on your questions and I'm sure between Shannon and myself we can get you fixed up! Take care!

Jeremy

alright, i think i'm starting to grasp the concept. it just kind of amazes me that 2 parents with visible traits could produce normal looking offspring that are het. i guess i won't trully know if they are het until they breed. they both look awsome and are great pets. it would sure be nice to produce some pretty little offspring. time will tell. thanks..
jonathan

visible to visible will produce all visible

visible to normal will produce all hets

visible to het will produce visible and hets

het to het will produce visible...hets...normals

het to normal will produce hets and normals

normal to normal will produce normals

does that help?
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Michael Enriquez

dumje, now that is lamen's terms. i'm not the brightest bulb in the box, but now and then i glimmer i can easily understand that explanation.
providing it's true, no matter what they are het for, they should produce visible traits in their young. that's sweet! they are just pets, but that would be nice to produce my own little beauts. thanks for all the feedback, and i welcome any more. i love to learn really enjoy my pits and this form. thanks....
jonathan

Michael did lay it out there with a nice way to put it but I just want to make sure you understand. You had in your last post:

"i can easily understand that explanation. providing it's true, no matter what they are het for, they should produce visible traits in their young."

This isn't true. Both of the parents have to be het for the same trait in order to produce the visible traits. Bulls can be het for quite a few things any more. You could breed animals that are het for axanthic and patternless to an animal that is het for whiteside and hypo and you would get all normal appearing animals possible het for four seperate traits.

So Michaels great explanation is true however you have to know what you are starting with. Thats where your question started I believe is that you didn't know if you snakes were het for anything. I hope this helps. I promise I'm not trying to confuse you! Shoot me an email if you have more questions. I'm happy to help you out! Take care

Jeremy
Shade Tree Exotics

yes...they must be het for the same thing...or visible and het for the same trait. The traits are basically found in different places in the Chromosomes and therefore only affect each other if they are for the same trait.
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Michael Enriquez

yes, thank you for the clarification. i thought about the same thing after i wrote it. you must have read my mind! i'll bet that was a scary process you gave me the answer before i even wrote the question.
i got en email last night from jason, who i purchased the snow female from. he said she is a possible het for axantic and hypo. my 2 bulls have different visible traits, so the only way they would produce visible traits in their offspring is if they are het for the same thing. glimmer, glimmer lol
that's kind of a bummer. i should've done a little more research before i got them, although i'm not sure that would've changed my decision. they are both awsome snakes, and i totally enjoy them. plus, now i have an excuse to get another snake!!! lemons out of lemonade! i'm not sure if i should get another male or female, and what exactly they would be compatable with, unless i went with an amel female or male snow.
actually, wouldn't the snow be definately compatable with either ablino or white sided, since she is both?
thanks again for all the help and knowledge.
jonathan

Research punnit squares. Its a lot to explain here but can answer all your questions regarding simple genetics.

Clay

PS, maybe not all.

Actually if you do have an amel (albino) male and a snow female (amel/albino and whiteside) all of your babies would be amel/albino 100% het for whiteside. Good luck!

Jeremy