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Has anyone here ever combined a flame and blizzard garter?

We simply love Garters, and are currently keeping 3 indoors.

We own 40 acres, with at least one den site, so we have hundreds at the moment, they are just hibernating in our yard.

Thanks for any insight, we are attending the Hamburg show next month, and I am thinking of getting some flames and snows to try breeding, and since these are the most expensive garters, I am wondering if it's viable to do...

Thanks,
Wayne A. Harvey

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I am not sure if the red would come thru on a snow.It would on a albino.We will know for sure next year.I highly doubt you will find either one of those snakes at hamburg.Your best bet is to get ahold of Scott Felzer.

Thank you, I figured that since we have done this with corns and have had some fascinating colors all in the same clutch, why not try it with garters.

I think an Amelanistic red Garter would be a really pretty snake, if that is possible to do. Or how about a Puget Sound blue Amelanistic?

I have included a contact me button on the link, if anyone can assist me in contacting Scott Felzer, or Scott himself would like to I would be appreciative of an e-mail.

Anyone know of a good source for some neonate red sided? The local gene pool has very little red left in them.

For the curious, we have a 40 acre place with a den, 2 swamps, a creek and 14 acres of grass. So in a sense I have a very large collection of snakes.
Thanks so much….
Wayne A. Harvey

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at the top of this post are sponsor links for this forum....click on Scott Felzer's Garter Snakes and go to the contact page. his new email address is there.

I added his site to my favorites list.

I just felt my wallet get a bit lighter

Thanks so much,

Wayne A. Harvey

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Hey Wayne,
This is off garter topic, but seeing you like the browns, I thought you might like to see this pict of this hatchling. It's mother was caught in my backyard, found her when I was turning my compost pile so I kept her in a tub outide on my patio for a month and then she gave birth to a 3 little ones and a few slugs, I kept them for a couple weeks and fed them a few meals of tiny garden worms to headstart them and then released them and mother. Hope I might see them again this summer. They sure were cute.
Jeff

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Upon catching her breath she said,"you certainly have been blessed with an impressive set of regius's"
1.0 pastel Python regius
0.1 mojave Python regius
0.1 normal Python regius
0.2 Terrapene carolina thriunguis
2.3 Terrapene carolina carolina
4.1 Kinosternon baurii
1.0 Malaclemys terrapin terrapin
2.1 Ambystoma tigrinum
1.1 Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis
1.0 anerythristic Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis
1.1 Iowa snow Thamnophis radix
1.1 heterozygous for amelanistic,carmel, and stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 anerythristic motley Pantherophis guttatus

You have reminded me of last spring when Xena had hers, there was 12 but one of them remained in the birth membrane.

So I figured with nothing to lose, used a toothpick and peeled the membrane off, and as soon as air hit that little neonate it's little head rose up and the tongue started flicking.

It was about half the size of the siblings, the runt of the litter. I felt really good about that day.

We raised all of them to juviniles and released them out back.

That's a nice shot by the way.

Peace,
Wayne A Harvey

Wayne,

Breeding the blizzard to a flame could produce some cool new morphs. I do not personally know anyone that has (or even in the works to create) the blizzard morph. With all the garter morphs now on the market, it should not be much longer until the blizzard is produced.

Scott

Thanks for dropping a line Scott.

I would certainly be interested in some of your reds if any are on the way this year.

I have looked over your site, and you have some very admirable Garter snakes.

My ribbon snake and checkered garter are acting very friendly with one another lately, is this "hookup" possible? or just behavior as the days are getting longer again?

Peace,
Wayne A. Harvey

Nice save with the toothpick, there were a couple that looked fully developed that were in the membrane but dead when I found them, I wasn't home the day she gave birth. They are tiny adoreable snakes I think they could be a popular pet if they werent so dull colored, obviously nobody is going to ever try to ban them and say that they are "dangerous" to keep in the house I wondered if you have had similar experience with their temprament, in that they put up one heck of a bluff flaring and fake striking like crazy, but then if you just reach down and pick them up they are docile as heck and they don't try to bite at all when in your hand? It's rewarding to headstart the babies and then release them isn't it?
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You got your regius's to the wall, man!
1.0 pastel Python regius
0.1 mojave Python regius
0.1 normal Python regius
0.2 Terrapene carolina thriunguis
2.3 Terrapene carolina carolina
4.1 Kinosternon baurii
1.0 Malaclemys terrapin terrapin
2.1 Ambystoma tigrinum
1.1 Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis
1.0 anerythristic Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis
1.1 Iowa snow Thamnophis radix
1.1 heterozygous for amelanistic,carmel, and stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 anerythristic motley Pantherophis guttatus

My observations over a 2 year period...

Xena our female is 2 years old, My daughter found her out back, and had asked if we could keep it in the old unused fish tank.

She was from a 2005 wild litter and just about mature. So far she will sit in my shirt pocket, wrap around my arm and refuse to let go. She likes to be handled, never musks or bites, and I swear she stalks me when I walk around her enclosure.

After doing some web research, I went out in the yard and caught some slugs, she plucked them right off the end of the stick. My first tease feed...

That fall we stumbled upon another, so I placed it in the tank with Xena, long story short a few months later I had a whole bunch of little baby browns.

I felt morally obligated to take care of the babies, since I created this whole mess to begin with, and I was instantly hooked.

I have 2 babies from a different mother that will flatten down and act like they are tough, often musking. For the most part though, these snakes are very docile. Never had one even make a motion close to biting.

One of the things that makes Xena stand out, she has a gorgeous copper hue and a pearly pink belly. This gene carried over to about half the babies, I have kept one, and it is nearly mature, I want to see how many get this copper hue in the next generation.

For limited space, they are perfect, a 10 gallon tank is fine., easy to feed, worms are cheap at wal mart, they don't really need a heat rock or basking lamp.

They also are great for educating children, My kids are 8 and 12, and they bring kids over all the time, even little girls afraid of snakes will generally have a change of heart after handling one of these.

Peace,
Wayne A. Harvey

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Wayne,
I admire your taking responsibility for your actions.
She is a pretty copper color, my locale are more gray, but still had nice triangles like yours. Just like garters they are very alert and have what seems learned behaviour and in my oppinion would make a great pet, especially for children like you already stated. Good luck with selectively breeding that copper color.
Jeff

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You got your regius's to the wall, man!
1.0 pastel Python regius
0.1 mojave Python regius
0.1 normal Python regius
0.2 Terrapene carolina thriunguis
2.3 Terrapene carolina carolina
4.1 Kinosternon baurii
1.1 Malaclemys terrapin terrapin
2.1 Ambystoma tigrinum
1.1 Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis
1.0 anerythristic Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis
1.1 Iowa snow Thamnophis radix
1.1 heterozygous for amelanistic,carmel, and stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 anerythristic motley Pantherophis guttatus

Man,that is cool that you think so much of a critter that most folks take for granted!I see them all the time but,now I'll probably see them in a different way.Growing up in W.V. I used to see eastern garters everywhere and never really took the time to observe them much.Recently garters have grown on me and I can't wait to get out there and take lots of pics!Take care!, Jeff