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Robyn, a question

Varanids_Rock Mar 08, 2008 10:53 AM

On the plywood enclosed 10'x3' troughs, what type of 2x4's were used and what grade and size of plywood was used? I'm thinking of doing the same thing with a five foot round trough for my ackies.

Also, what wattage of flood lights were used and what would you recommend for such a large cage. It seems that 45-50 watts would be insufficient for a two foot space above the substrate (you could build up to the light with Retes boards, but I would think that it would be too cool at substrate level), especially since your's are situated on top of the cage. Are they the same 85 or 90 watt bulbs that you guys sell?

Thanks.

Cheers,
Ryan
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robyn@ProExotics Mar 08, 2008 04:05 PM

the two by fours are just regular ones, so is the ply for that matter.

i am assuming you are talking about our circular trough construction- i like 3/4 ply for the flat sections like the lid. we recently tried some half inch, and it just doesn't hold as well, it wants to warp too much, it is too thin and floppy.

creating the outside curve was quite the experience. we used a very thin plywood for that, and even then the wrap was difficult. with a 5 ft circular, it would be even tighter, perhaps impossible.

i would consider using FRP for the wrap, maybe twice around for extra stability, with the seams staggered. i would still use the 2x4 posts on the inside as vertical supports. the 2x4s are notched 6 inches or so, so that the notched out part sits on the top edge of the trough, and the extending notch sits inside the trough. kinda hard to explain...

you would screw in through the FRP, into the 2x4s, from the outside, as you worked around your wrap. i would worry about the screw heads popping through the FRP, so i would use a strip of wood, like 1/4" thick, providing a base for the screw heads at each 2x4 location, on the outside of the FRP, you dig?

wrapping the outside around was made possible by using our metal bander. we ran two 1/2" metal bands around the whole thing and tightened it up snug before fully securing it with screws. you could do that same thing with straps, but we had a get some pretty good torque on it, so i don't think hand tied rope would work, you need some leverage.

the lid was just a top cap, it wasn't attached to the walls at all, but it was quite heavy, as it was framed with on end 2x4s, so 5 inches thick, and it sat secure under its own weight. we added a couple of 4x4 posts across the middle of the cage, supporting the lid from underneath, because the 10 ft gap was so wide. for a 5 ft cage, i would go with perhaps one center post support.

those are the details off the top of my head : )
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robyn@proexotics.com

Pro Exotics Reptiles

Varanids_Rock Mar 08, 2008 05:09 PM

Thanks a bunch sir!

Actually, I was talking about framing the trough and fastening paneling to it, like you did on the 10 foot round-ended troughs. But I may do what you described with the FRP, I have thought about doing that before as well. Either way, your reply was (still is) very helpful. I will try and post pics when I get it done. But that could be a month or two away (or even more), as I'm not in too big of a hurry to make it.

Oh yeah, what about the lights? Thanks again.

Cheers,
Ryan
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robyn@ProExotics Mar 08, 2008 06:30 PM

for Ackies you shouldn't need more than the 45/50 watts. for the larger monitors, we use the 80 watt bulbs. use an array of bulbs for a wider area.
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robyn@proexotics.com

Pro Exotics Reptiles

Varanids_Rock Mar 08, 2008 08:53 PM

Thanks again. 45-50 watt halogens and at times 65 watt incandescents are what I've been using for the past year or two that I've had them in the four foot trough. I was wondering if a higher wattage would be required in a larger cage. I suppose I'll just have to toy around with it and find what works.

One more question, if you don't mind. Which would you recommend, framing the tank and attaching plywood paneling? Or the circular FRP method you described? It seems like the framing method would allow for a little more square footage above ground, but I'm not sure which would be easier. I'd probably like to take the most simple, easiest route if possible.

Much thanks Robyn, you've been very helpful.

Cheers,
Ryan
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