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I know that any healthy babies is a good litter, but I had high hopes for this pairing and was slightly disappointed. This was a het albino bred by a hypo, poss. jungle, possible het albino. He did not prove out to be a jungle, but he did prove out to be a dh sunglow. Bad news is only one sunglow in the bunch and no albinos. The sunglow also has a bad eye, so another loss there. The best thing about this litter though, is this is the first time I've ever been home to see them born. Enjoy the pics!

Matt

At least you hit one of the two possibles and now you know what you have. Sucks on the odds but at least mom and the babies your do have are OK.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Thanks Dave. I'm just hoping he saved all of his albino little ones for the arabesque het he bred.

Congrats on the litter Matt. For what its worth, the Salmons are nice in that litter...very clean! Good luck with them!

Regards,
John

I was thinking last night that you had a litter due pretty soon.

I'm glad that you have proven out the genetics, but I do understand your disapointment.

I'm confident your season will only get better.

Congratulations

Brian
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Brian Gundy

www.for-goodness-snakes.com

Thanks Brian. They were actually due a while ago, but she held out till day 134 post ovulation.

Matt

Matt, the babies look nice and healthy and fat...congrats of your first litter of the year!
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Dave Lee

Congratulations Matt, it was a good looking litter although you had some disappointment. You got some amazing pics there. It is always neat sight to see. Can't wait to see the litter from your arabesque.

Lankey & Heather

Congrats Matt! Man! If you'd missed on that single Sunglow, you'd really be wondering what was going on! Nice animals, Dan

You mentioned that he didn't prove out to be a Jungle....I can swear I see some low expression Jungles in the litter...It might be too early and I might have not had enough coffee....but there is some cool abbarent patterns in that litter....You think they could be low expression Jungles?

Sorry to hear about the odds....and the Sunglow....But at least you proved out some of the genetics...which is cool....
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Executive Reptiles
Amanda Kingsbury & David Kendrick
www.executivereptiles.com

Thanks for the comments. The same thing crossed my mind, but withouth there being at least one standout jungle in the litter, I wouldn't feel right about selling anything as a possible jungle even. I'm going to hold the most likely ones back until the second litter that this male fathered is born in a few months. That breeding will hopefully tell me more. If those are jungles, then I did very badly with all odds on this litter.

Matt

I saw atleast 2 or 3 that show some good signs of jungleism.
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THERES NO BEAUTY LIKE THE BEAUTY OF A TRUE REDTAIL

Do low expression jungles tend to throw lower expression jungles!!

I know it's been said before that low expression jungles can throw high expression babies but I am curious, does the average expression of jungle follow more or less the parents?

Another way to put the same question, will a high expression jungle breeder tend to throw higher expression jungle babies than a low expression breeder?

One data point I have to back this up is Mark Hauges litter. Two very nice F1 jungles from the Barkers threw a litter of almost 100% distinguishable F2 babies. Clear groups of normals, jungles and supers. Only one maybe jungle in the whole litter.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

but I figured you could see them in person and probably had the better vantage point.
All of these make me think jungle...

Time to check their tongues!
jb
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Jonathan Brady
"Sarcasm is angers ugly cousin" -Dr. Buddy Rydell (Jack Nicholson) in "Anger Management".

Not to single you out, but just the people posting that there are jungles...
I see some of the jungle-type saddles and some nice contrast between the tail background color and saddles, but to me they just looked like really nice babies. I thought jungles had much more of a color difference between the top and the sides, between the background and the saddles all the way up to the head?
Of course, I've only seen pics of jungles and am still learning about this, so that is why I am asking.
I hope they are jungles for his sake of course.
Thanks!
-April
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'There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."' -Rainshadow

Hey April,
I'm very new to the jungle game too and actually only VERY recently purchased one, and it was a salmon jungle so it muddied the waters for me a bit.
What I had noticed before purchasing mine is that most jungles tend to have kind of a creamy, almost bleached look on the babies, dorsal color that is distinct from the lateral color. The lateral pattern tends to be more speckled than the dorsal. I've also noticed that the saddle that is between the body saddles and the tail saddles tends to be elongated. The saddles are also more clearly outlined making them more distinct. Finally, the head stripe tends to be different as well.

These are just things I've seen and may or may not be what others look for so I could be totally off base. Also, during the purchase of my salmon jungle, I was having a VERY hard time convincing myself that it was in fact a jungle until the breeder told me that the tongue was mottled. I had no idea what he meant, nor did I know what the relevance was but apparently, the majority of salmon jungles have a tongue that it multicolored being not just black but also orange or red or purplish. So, the fact that he DID have the mottled tongue made him definitively a salmon jungle. However the lack of the mottled tongue means there is a small chance a SALMON possible jungle could still be a jungle. I don't know if this trait exists with the non-salmon jungles, but I don't THINK it does.
Here's a couple of pics of mine from the breeder (Mike Taylor of Boas etc..) that helped me decide to purchase my little guy!

Hope that was not only accurate???, but also helpful.
jb
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Jonathan Brady
"Sarcasm is angers ugly cousin" -Dr. Buddy Rydell (Jack Nicholson) in "Anger Management".

At least one of my normal jungles also has a mottled tongue....

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

funny, there are always exceptions, I had a pastel salmon boa that had a mottled tongue, she was not from a jungle line.
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Dave Lee