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seen pics of 7'N.pines.and was wondering how big The Kankakee Bull gets
And the disposition of the giants.
Thanks Chris

That it's a close contest between the Bullsnake and P. lineaticollis....I've heard of individuals of both species that exceeded nine feet.
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I've seen a few K Bulls that were in the 6' range, generally they're smaller than that. As far as the largest snake in the genus, I believe the Bullsnake still holds the record length. I've also heard that a Bull found in Texas a few years back actually surpassed the 100" record as listed in Conant's field guide. From my personal experience, Florida Pines can get quite large both in length and girth, not to mention disposition. I've seen more than one 7 footer, and were very heavy bodied.

Bart

I seem to recall Conant listing the record length of Pituophis being a sayi that measured 109". It has been a while since I cracked that guide open however.

It should be noted that maximum size in field guides is for specimens in the wild, not captivity - where some do exceed the wild caught record.
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FunkyRes is correct...captive records don't count with Biologists.

As far as wild-caughts go:

The 3rd edition of the Peterson Field Guide, by Conant and Collins (1991), puts the Bullsnake at 100 inches.

The Lone Star Field guide, by Alan Tennant (2001), credits Robert Kuntz with capture of an 8 foot 6.5 inch Monster - that's 102 1/2 inches of Bullsnake.

The June 2007 issue of Herp Review 38(2), 209, documents a 105 inch Bullsnake Colossus.

That beats the long-time record holder, the Eastern Indigo, at 103 1/2 inches.

As for the future, I think the Bullsnake has the advantage over the Eastern Indigo. This is because the Bullsnake has a lot more range, habitat, and a lot fewer people to contend with.

I wouldn't be too surprised to see a genuine, WC 9 foot Bullsnake turn up.

Unfortunately, a wild 8 foot Eastern Indigo has almost no chance to live long enough to beat the new record.

Regards,

John D
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Check out this thread from '07.

BTW, 2667 mm = 105 inches or 8.75 ft.

JPD

Pit vs. Drymarchon Thread

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