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As some may remember I am breeding my Brazilian rainbow boas for the first time this year. She's getting big and entered the blue phase of a shed two days ago. How long typically, till she gives birth after this shed?
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PHLdyPayne

Last year at 80 degree gestation I averaged 132 days after POS (Post Ovulation Shed), hard part is figuring which shed was POS.
Looking back, with breeding starting in Feb, if I discount any sheds in Feb, 2 out of 5 had two sheds and the other 3 had only one. And, if I discount the mid March sheds also, all 5 POS are easy to identify. Hmmmm, light bulb goes one!!!!

Mike had faster gestation at a little higher temps and I'm bumping my gestation temps to 82 this year, so should be a little quicker. I'm thinking none of my girls are blue now, lotsa breeding activity and next shed for each may very well be POS. Several are swollen already, maybe pre-ovulation or Ovulation itself. Not as noticeable in BRB as it is in BCI.

How long were your male and female together and what type of breeding activity did you see when?

>>As some may remember I am breeding my Brazilian rainbow boas for the first time this year. She's getting big and entered the blue phase of a shed two days ago. How long typically, till she gives birth after this shed?
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>>PHLdyPayne
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

>>Last year at 80 degree gestation I averaged 132 days after POS (Post Ovulation Shed), hard part is figuring which shed was POS.
>>Looking back, with breeding starting in Feb, if I discount any sheds in Feb, 2 out of 5 had two sheds and the other 3 had only one. And, if I discount the mid March sheds also, all 5 POS are easy to identify. Hmmmm, light bulb goes one!!!!
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>>Mike had faster gestation at a little higher temps and I'm bumping my gestation temps to 82 this year, so should be a little quicker. I'm thinking none of my girls are blue now, lotsa breeding activity and next shed for each may very well be POS. Several are swollen already, maybe pre-ovulation or Ovulation itself. Not as noticeable in BRB as it is in BCI.
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>>How long were your male and female together and what type of breeding activity did you see when?
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>>>>As some may remember I am breeding my Brazilian rainbow boas for the first time this year. She's getting big and entered the blue phase of a shed two days ago. How long typically, till she gives birth after this shed?
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>>>>PHLdyPayne
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
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>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
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>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts

Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

I put the male in with the female decemberish...saw some breeding, but saw much more when he was with her Jan-Feb and after I brought temps to normal. Haven't noticed any breeding in the last several weeks,so stopped putting him in with her.

Below is a picture of her I took about two weeks ago. She looks bigger now.

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PHLdyPayne

>>I put the male in with the female decemberish...saw some breeding, but saw much more when he was with her Jan-Feb and after I brought temps to normal. Haven't noticed any breeding in the last several weeks,so stopped putting him in with her.
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>>Below is a picture of her I took about two weeks ago. She looks bigger now.
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>>PHLdyPayne
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

>>>>I put the male in with the female decemberish...saw some breeding, but saw much more when he was with her Jan-Feb and after I brought temps to normal. Haven't noticed any breeding in the last several weeks,so stopped putting him in with her.
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>>>>Below is a picture of her I took about two weeks ago. She looks bigger now.
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>>Thanks,
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>>Frank Roberts
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>>I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

guess when she drops em...She is so beautiful and looks like she gunna drop a ton babies. That's a lot of mass and you say she looks bigger..damnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

It's your first time charm

>>>>>>I put the male in with the female decemberish...saw some breeding, but saw much more when he was with her Jan-Feb and after I brought temps to normal. Haven't noticed any breeding in the last several weeks,so stopped putting him in with her.
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>>>>Thanks,
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>>>>Frank Roberts
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>>>>I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.
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>>PS I often use bold letters for my entire post because I can read it easier !
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>>Thanks,
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>>Frank Roberts
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>>I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.
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PS I often use bold letters for my entire post because I can read it easier !
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Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

With the impending shed, I'd put her at late July or early August!!!! Depending on temps and when the actual shed occurs. Using my numbers, if she shed today and was kept at 80 degrees, I'd put due date as 07/24!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

>>With the impending shed, I'd put her at late July or early August!!!! Depending on temps and when the actual shed occurs. Using my numbers, if she shed today and was kept at 80 degrees, I'd put due date as 07/24!!!
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
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>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
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PS I often use bold letters for my entire post because I can read it easier !
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Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

That diff is measured in days up to a couple of weeks and with her being in shed now, assuming this is her POS, then babies due late July to early August. Warmer gestational temps will bring due date in but clock has not even started yet, the POS can take longer than a regular shed.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

come into light ? In BCI yes in Brazilians ?

Nobody knows what they are talking about when it comes to this as of yet. One mating to parturition has been 4 months in some instances from Ross. Could have been stored sperm previous to copulation. Could be temps. Temp can speed or allow gestation regardless of sheds, days, etc...one case of 11 month gestation in Emerald Tree Boas that killed both mother and babies.

The data in Rainbow Boas is far from collected to ascertain any reliable information in regards to POS in my opinion.
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PS I often use bold letters for my entire post because I can read it easier !
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Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Not solid but is "gelling" Last year I identified a due date of 09/27 in advance for Savannah based on my three earlier 2007 litters. All females were kept at the same temps. Savannah's babies were born on 09/27!!! I had four females shed within a 9 day period of time, the four litters came within a 10 day period. I also had one more female shed a month after the other four, her litter came after the other four, seven days before her due date as calculated with data from the prior four litters. Is it conclusive, no way, does it sound likely YUP!! IMO!! As more data points are collected along with gestational temps, I'm reasonably certain we can put together a rough matrix and identify optimal gestational temps along with reasonable due dates based on POS a certain number of days.

There will always be statistical anomalies, retained sperm etc. Just like in BCI, I expect there will be individuals that will not have a POS in a given breeding year and still have a litter. The due dates from POS are simply a way to get an estimated time frame. Some will go under, some will go over.

From what I know already, 4 months might be the bare minimum. A female bred at the last possible moment, with higher gestational temps.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

thanks for feeding my NERD Button AND MY OTHER BUTTON...

"gelling"

I know I'm gelling...wanna see !!!!!

Alrighty then...............

That is far more information then I have ever read or heard on the subject. By my own limited experience with Brazilians. The gestation from my "eyeing" things was approximately 6 months, sheds made zero input (only two snakes to go by)with a hot spot of 84 degrees. They wanted nothing to do with a hot spot above that, never mind exactly 90 degrees. They move to the other corner where it is about 77-80 if it is raised that high. So if you wanted to maybe speed things up try a hot spot of 83/84 and still give them access to the cooler temperatures if they so desire. But a 90 degree spot in my limited experience causes them to seek cooler temps that are not 83/84 degrees. But if one of 84 is provided they utilize it and don't scaddadle into the far end of the tank to avoid what appears to be an undesirable temperature. With Brazilians and Peruvian's and such these temp variations may be species more like subspecies specific depending on exactly where they come from. I am not sure of the difference in the environment where these ophidians come from, but it is most likely somewhat different with microclimates we know little to nothing about when compared to the captive environment.

SCIENCE TALK WHOOPPIEEEEEE. ya I am only a HS grad makes me feel pretty, er um, I mean smart.

My female Dumeril will leave the hot spot if I put it above 85 degrees. Her body temp even on the hot spot is usually 82-84 degrees as well. She is now using it constantly and it is set for 85. She only leaves to eat, drink, and do her business.

She is looking and behaving gravid for sure. Hopefully something will come of it. The pair is 19 years old and they don't look a day over 5.

Also it should be noted I meant no offence by what I said. I question everything and everyone self included when it comes to this type of data.

My Dumeril's are one of the 2 snakes I ever documented from beginning to end with pictures. Ya from my cell phone, never owned such technology, rather buy feeders and specimens. I still need a dig camera, with the money I spent taking these pics I could have bought 200 of them for sure. 25 cents a pic lol.

I also have all my sheds written down for my Dumeril as well.

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Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Frank,
In the summer there are two areas in my enclosure that get up to 90 degrees. The only time I've ever seen it being used was by my gravid female. I've gunned her as high as 92 degrees. She moves around during her pregnancy and seeks out different temps during different times during her term (looking at my records I've recorded gravid temps from 77 to 92). My personal experience is these snakes will use temps in the high 80's but infrequently, however; gravid females will use these high temps up to around 90 degrees. The problem, IMO, is that most setups are too small to properly distribute a wide range in temperatures.
Good stuff,
Paul

Thanks for the information. All my gravid females are given a gradient to use. I use temp guns and from one side to the other an provide a gradient to whatever temperature I want. The background temp in my snake room can be manipulated because their is NO heat in the room. I have 4 foot enclosures for all my gravid females. My Dumeril is a fish tank. 175 gallon which just happens to be 4 foot long. My Brazilians enclosures are 3 foot 10 inches long although I move them when breeding and feeding. So when I have them at 70/82 it is easy to make a hot spot at 84/85 or whatever I want. I have heard others comment on such things but am not surprised at females seeking higher temps it's how long they stay there that interests me. I am suspicious they go and bask on that spot when I am not around and go to cooler sections throughout the day who knows. But when I put the temp at 83/84 they stay there consistently which means it is what they prefer or they would move around more.

>>Frank,
>>In the summer there are two areas in my enclosure that get up to 90 degrees. The only time I've ever seen it being used was by my gravid female. I've gunned her as high as 92 degrees. She moves around during her pregnancy and seeks out different temps during different times during her term (looking at my records I've recorded gravid temps from 77 to 92). My personal experience is these snakes will use temps in the high 80's but infrequently, however; gravid females will use these high temps up to around 90 degrees. The problem, IMO, is that most setups are too small to properly distribute a wide range in temperatures.
>>Good stuff,
>>Paul

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PS I often use bold letters for my entire post because I can read it easier !
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Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

She will be 4 years old this summer, weighed 2400g when I started to cool her, and is over 5' long, though I never really accurately measured her.

Good to know I do have at least a month to get the hatchling rack built.. though I don't think it will take me more than a couple days to put it together..
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PHLdyPayne

as august. looking at her she is def a bit along IMO.

>>She will be 4 years old this summer, weighed 2400g when I started to cool her, and is over 5' long, though I never really accurately measured her.
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>>Good to know I do have at least a month to get the hatchling rack built.. though I don't think it will take me more than a couple days to put it together..
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>>PHLdyPayne
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PS I often use bold letters for my entire post because I can read it easier !
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Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Wow, didn't think a simple question would spark this much discussion..enjoy reading it all. Now I wish I kept more accurate data.

She was never bred before so retained sperm won't be a factor. Basking temp is roughly 85F-95F depending if its right over the heat pad or to the side. Cool end is pretty much 75F or a bit less.

I will get the hatchling rich ready for the end of the month, first week of April at the latest..I rather have it ready months in advance than trying to build it with babies coming or already wiggling about in temporary cages.

she's still in blue, though more blue now than she was several days ago... My male has shed but ..well, no big deal there. LOL
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PHLdyPayne