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i just got a new sliding front class cage.its 49x18x24.my question is what should i get. i just want a animal that requires a heat lamp and or no special lighting at all. i just want some ideas.
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Jeff Kearney
Orlando, FL

2.7.0 Bearded Dragons (Too many to name)
1.0.0 Mali Uromastyx (Rex)
2.2.0 Ball Python (Ali, Gator, Para, Medic)
1.1.1 Leopard Gecko (Peanut, Almond, Iggy)
1.1.0 Fat-Tailed Gecko (Freddy, Brownie)
0.0.1 Corn Snake (Not sure yet)
0.0.2 Blue Phase Dumpys Tree Frog (Sticky, Squishy)

Well that all depends on what you like,since its a sliding glass cage and its that big i would suggest a snake thats closer to adult size.An Adult Jungle Carpet python, hogg island boa would fit great in a cage that size.
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1.1 sumatran bloods
1.1 het albino rtb
0.2 green anoles
0.1 australian shepard mix
0.0.6 tiger barb fish
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im really not looking to get a snake, i actually considered a hog island but then changed my mind to something different.
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Jeff Kearney
Orlando, FL

2.7.0 Bearded Dragons (Too many to name)
1.0.0 Mali Uromastyx (Rex)
2.2.0 Ball Python (Ali, Gator, Para, Medic)
1.1.1 Leopard Gecko (Peanut, Almond, Iggy)
1.1.0 Fat-Tailed Gecko (Freddy, Brownie)
0.0.1 Corn Snake (Not sure yet)
0.0.2 Blue Phase Dumpys Tree Frog (Sticky, Squishy)

Well, you said you don't want to have to use any special lights, and you aren't leaning torwards a snake... you've really limited yourself quite a bit... as I'm sure you know, most lizards require some form of UVA or B light to remain healthy... Any reason why you're trying to stay away from the special lights??

"most lizards require some form of UVA or B light to remain healthy"

That hasn't been proven entirely truthful yet, I know plenty of Breeders that have great success in breeding Diurnal lizards without the use of UVR bulbs.

"... Any reason why you're trying to stay away from the special lights??"

Probably because they only last 6 months and cost a fair amount...

Personally the cage screams Medium bodied Boid to me....

Send over here I have a Nice Boa that would love it.

Cheers
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Jeremy

"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds" July 16, 1945 Robert Oppenheimer

0.1 Snow "Khal" RTB
1.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow RTB's
1.0 Hypomelenistic RTB's
0.2 Pastel Hypo RTB's
0.1 Suriname RTB
0.1 Anerthrystic RTB
3.6 Red Bearded Dragon's
1.0 Ball Python
1.1 Cream Golden Retrieviers
1.0 Pomeriaian
0.3 Catus Terribilis
0.1 Spouse
1.0.1 Child

Hmm... didn't know about that there Jeremy, far be it for the good people of ZooMed and other companys to openly admit that you don't need to use them...

But I do agree with you... medium bodied boid would be the way to go...

Do you really think the big corporations making thousands of dollers daily on lightbulbs would come out and say "Hey you really don't need these but we need to make a profit so buy them anyways" I doubt it.

Same principle goes back to 1949 when GMC and a couple of oil tycoons convinced the people of Los Angeles that driving POV's and City Buses would be more convient than using the Pacific Electric Railway. Thereby destroying mass transit in general and electric powered commuting until the late 80's. All to sell Oil, Tires, and Cars to the people of southern California.

Did we really need to get rid of mass transit....

Its a hard argument but I have yet to read any proof that UVR is critical for a diuranl lizards development. Does it hurt them, No. Does it help them, Maybe. Will they live without it, Yes.

If you observe Diuranl lizards in nature, they need heat, food , and shelter. So if you provide them sound food, an enclosure than meets all of the species specifc needs, and feed the hell out of them you will never need the crutch of a fancy lightbulb.

Feedum and Heatum!

In the wild most lizards spend their time hiding rather than basking...

Cheers

Have I ever told you're my hero Jeremy?? lol

=0P

Seriously, really great points...

lol this is great!!!!! i love the facts about the lighting and all but is there somewhere i can get answers more on my topic. thanks all for had ideas.
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Jeff Kearney
Orlando, FL

2.7.0 Bearded Dragons (Too many to name)
1.0.0 Mali Uromastyx (Rex)
2.2.0 Ball Python (Ali, Gator, Para, Medic)
1.1.1 Leopard Gecko (Peanut, Almond, Iggy)
1.1.0 Fat-Tailed Gecko (Freddy, Brownie)
0.0.1 Corn Snake (Not sure yet)
0.0.2 Blue Phase Dumpys Tree Frog (Sticky, Squishy)

>>lol this is great!!!!! i love the facts about the lighting and all but is there somewhere i can get answers more on my topic. thanks all for had ideas.

Honestly Jeff I think we've given you all that your going to get on this topic.

Few hobbist really like posting to threads concerning the question "What can I put in here?" It comes across to impulsive, that and everyone particualy in this forum has a very wide range of tastes. I myself am interested in only Boids ATM and there are reasons why that is.

From looking at your collection I can see that diuranl lizards are your forte. You also have a some heavy bodied boids not large but heavy bodied.

So apparently those are not in your interests for a new addition.

I can tell you one thing Jeff seeing the picture changes everything.

Here is what I would do Jeff;

1) Grab a can of Great stuff big gap filler and some drift wood.
2) Lay the enclosure front side facing up.
3) Lay the driftwood in decerative spots, perhaps ad a misting/drip sytem with tubing
4) spread black silicon along the sides 4-5" ip from the back panel
5) Cover the back in Great stuff making a faux background, creativity be your guide
6) Cover the BG with black silicon infusing bed abeast of any coco fiber mix as you go.
7) Return enclosure to its feet.
8) Unless its tempered tap the bottom center and fit with a PVC pipe for a drain.
9) Fill the bottom with a quick draining light weight substrate.
10) Top with coco husk and plant terrerium.
11) Light with plant lights enough to provide growing power.
12) Fill with 6-7 Dendrobates leucomelas
13) Open bottle drink beer and enjoy the sounds of nature.

**Note these steps are not inclusive, each user is responsible for making appropriate changes, sponser is not responsible for failure to compile with any MSDS or safety step, Sponeser not held responsible for failed attepts*

At least it was fun to write!

Cheers

It would make a Great Dart Frog Tank!
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Jeremy

"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds" July 16, 1945 Robert Oppenheimer

0.1 Snow "Khal" RTB
1.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow RTB's
1.0 Hypomelenistic RTB's
0.2 Pastel Hypo RTB's
0.1 Suriname RTB
0.1 Anerthrystic RTB
3.1 Red Bearded Dragon's
1.0 Ball Python
1.1 Cream Golden Retrieviers
1.0 Pomeriaian
0.3 Catus Terribilis
0.1 Spouse
1.0.1 Child

dart frogs sound like a great idea. i will look into it. This leads me to my next question. can i get more detail and maybe some pictures of how to make a 3-D background with climbing and basking spots. i am interested in making one for this tank.

(By the way im only 18 so i cant grab a beer and enjoy, im just a college student studing exotic pet veterinarian)Thanks anyways.
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Jeff Kearney
Orlando, FL

2.7.0 Bearded Dragons (Too many to name)
1.0.0 Mali Uromastyx (Rex)
2.2.0 Ball Python (Ali, Gator, Para, Medic)
1.1.1 Leopard Gecko (Peanut, Almond, Iggy)
1.1.0 Fat-Tailed Gecko (Freddy, Brownie)
0.0.1 Corn Snake (Not sure yet)
0.0.2 Blue Phase Dumpys Tree Frog (Sticky, Squishy)

Sure,

Here's a great starter page as well as supplier;

www.blackjungle.com/terrariumsupplies.html

and here is a step by step process, they say advanced but its pretty straight forward.

www.blackjungle.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2108

As for a Beer well they make Root....
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Jeremy

"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds" July 16, 1945 Robert Oppenheimer

0.1 Snow "Khal" RTB
1.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow RTB's
1.0 Hypomelenistic RTB's
0.2 Pastel Hypo RTB's
0.1 Suriname RTB
0.1 Anerthrystic RTB
3.1 Red Bearded Dragon's
1.0 Ball Python
1.1 Cream Golden Retrieviers
1.0 Pomeriaian
0.3 Catus Terribilis
0.1 Spouse
1.0.1 Child

elcetric bills are rising because of the outside heat and i dont need to add anymore.i really just want a fun pet that dont need to much as far as lighting.. ill post pics of the cage because this is the cages and habitat forum.
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Jeff Kearney
Orlando, FL

2.7.0 Bearded Dragons (Too many to name)
1.0.0 Mali Uromastyx (Rex)
2.2.0 Ball Python (Ali, Gator, Para, Medic)
1.1.1 Leopard Gecko (Peanut, Almond, Iggy)
1.1.0 Fat-Tailed Gecko (Freddy, Brownie)
0.0.1 Corn Snake (Not sure yet)
0.0.2 Blue Phase Dumpys Tree Frog (Sticky, Squishy)

like i said i need ieas on what to get. keep in mind that the animal will get a lot of attention by me and many other people so it needs to be a people friendly animal.

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Jeff Kearney
Orlando, FL

2.7.0 Bearded Dragons (Too many to name)
1.0.0 Mali Uromastyx (Rex)
2.2.0 Ball Python (Ali, Gator, Para, Medic)
1.1.1 Leopard Gecko (Peanut, Almond, Iggy)
1.1.0 Fat-Tailed Gecko (Freddy, Brownie)
0.0.1 Corn Snake (Not sure yet)
0.0.2 Blue Phase Dumpys Tree Frog (Sticky, Squishy)

wow... that cage is beautiful, where'd you get it?? Carpet Python would work well, or... an adult Rainbow Boa, or something that's semi arboreal, and you could make some perches the entire length of the cage out of this stuff ... to keep with the "clear" look you have with that cage...

http://www.eplastics.com/Plastic/Plexiglass_Acrylic_Rod

Heat it up with a torch ( carefully as to not burn it, then twist and bend as desired )

Just throwing ideas at you... it's what I thought of immediately after I saw the cage...

a friend of mine had a dragon housed in it. he told me if i found a good respectable home for the dragon that i could have the cage lights and all of the ornaments.
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Jeff Kearney
Orlando, FL

2.7.0 Bearded Dragons (Too many to name)
1.0.0 Mali Uromastyx (Rex)
2.2.0 Ball Python (Ali, Gator, Para, Medic)
1.1.1 Leopard Gecko (Peanut, Almond, Iggy)
1.1.0 Fat-Tailed Gecko (Freddy, Brownie)
0.0.1 Corn Snake (Not sure yet)
0.0.2 Blue Phase Dumpys Tree Frog (Sticky, Squishy)

Tank looks good. First of all I would build a solid top for it and ditch the screen, it lets tons of heat and humidity escape. With a solid top you could heat any reptile you choose with about 90 watts of power. This is not that much and will probably not break the bank.

Let me say I agree with BIghurt. UV bulbs are (in my opinion) a waste of money. Some of the most respected breeders for lizards that supposedly need UV don't use them. Of course if you want to fork out the cash for them then go ahead. Funny thing is they won't do much if humidity, temps and other things aren't correct. I have used these bulbs in the past and until I really started to look at how I kept my lizards, I really thought they were needed (I believed all the hype).

As far as what to keep in there well that really depends on what you like. You said no snakes right??? I just recently got some crested geckos and they are great. They need little additional heat (most of the time at least). People keep them at room temp and they seem to do fine. I give mine a basking area anyway and they do use it but I suppose it's not necessary. They Come in some cool morphs, and are about as easy as it gets when it comes to care. I'm really enjoying them, even more than most of the monitors and dragons I've had.

Crested's would be another great choice a heavy trio would have so much space it wouldn't even be funny. You could even decorate the crap out of it without wasting valuable space. Of course you could throw in a divider and make two cages but that would crap their style.

How big is this thing hard to tell by the pics?
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Jeremy

"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds" July 16, 1945 Robert Oppenheimer

0.1 Snow "Khal" RTB
1.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow RTB's
1.0 Hypomelenistic RTB's
0.2 Pastel Hypo RTB's
0.1 Suriname RTB
0.1 Anerthrystic RTB
3.1 Red Bearded Dragon's
1.0 Ball Python
1.1 Cream Golden Retrieviers
1.0 Pomeriaian
0.3 Catus Terribilis
0.1 Spouse
1.0.1 Child

48L x 18W x 17T
Cresteds sound good too. i have until may to decide because thats when the next show is. unless i can find someone local that i can meet and get something.
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Jeff Kearney
Orlando, FL

2.7.0 Bearded Dragons (Too many to name)
1.0.0 Mali Uromastyx (Rex)
2.2.0 Ball Python (Ali, Gator, Para, Medic)
1.1.1 Leopard Gecko (Peanut, Almond, Iggy)
1.1.0 Fat-Tailed Gecko (Freddy, Brownie)
0.0.1 Corn Snake (Not sure yet)
0.0.2 Blue Phase Dumpys Tree Frog (Sticky, Squishy)

>>48L x 18W x 17T
>> Cresteds sound good too. i have until may to decide because thats when the next show is. unless i can find someone local that i can meet and get something.

Pretty much a standard 55gal, I wouldn't hesitate to put a heavy trio in there, but there is more tahn enough space to divide it and get two pairs. I wouldn't use clear glass males will never leave the divider.

and for both suggestiosn some sort of cover needs to be made for the top. The sliders will allow enough airflow but that screen top will kill humidity.

Also another plus, Reptile rooms are usually heated to 75°F or so if that is the case both Darts and Cresteds will be fine with no additional heating.

Cheers
I'll drink you Beer...
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Jeremy

"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds" July 16, 1945 Robert Oppenheimer

0.1 Snow "Khal" RTB
1.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow RTB's
1.0 Hypomelenistic RTB's
0.2 Pastel Hypo RTB's
0.1 Suriname RTB
0.1 Anerthrystic RTB
3.1 Red Bearded Dragon's
1.0 Ball Python
1.1 Cream Golden Retrieviers
1.0 Pomeriaian
0.3 Catus Terribilis
0.1 Spouse
1.0.1 Child

They are very popular for a reason - they are friendly, sit out in open all day, and are very hardy.

he has 9... with that I'd say he knows about em
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bobby
0.1 southern alligator lizard " between 12 and 14 years old"
1.0 savannah monitor
0.1.1 blue tongue skinks
0.6 leopard geckos
0.0.1 baby beardy

soon to be added
1.2 red ackies
also texas... and arizona alligator lizards

like madwire said i have 9. i am very happy with the amount i have and the thing is i might be getting a breeding pair to add to my collection and they will already have a tank with them. i think im going to go with crested geckos in this new tank.thanks
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Jeff Kearney
Orlando, FL

2.7.0 Bearded Dragons (Too many to name)
1.0.0 Mali Uromastyx (Rex)
2.2.0 Ball Python (Ali, Gator, Para, Medic)
1.1.1 Leopard Gecko (Peanut, Almond, Iggy)
1.1.0 Fat-Tailed Gecko (Freddy, Brownie)
0.0.1 Corn Snake (Not sure yet)
0.0.2 Blue Phase Dumpys Tree Frog (Sticky, Squishy)