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spending too much time thinking lately. having just got my first morphs, i have been starting to read more on the genetics side of things. With quite a few years before any possible breedings anyway, hopefully i can learn stuff by then!!

Few questions
Is there true hypermelanstic brbs out there, if so, what would the result of a homo hyper x homo anery be? Ie once the DH are bred together? Would it cause a nearly black and white brb? I guess opposite to the ghost or??

Also i keeping on reading the term SUPER relating to retic and ball morphs, what does this actually mean, and is it applicable to other pythons and boas? For instance is it shown in BCI or BCC?

Cheers

It's easy to spend time thinking about this stuff. But imo, with BRB's very little has been proven with regard to genetics and pigmentation. Of course, that's based on what I've seen and read, so someone with personal experience might have proven certain genetic traits/tendencies. So it's hard to say if there is a recessive, single-gene hyper-melanistic mutation.

I believe the term "Super" means that the snake is homozygous for a mutation that is dominant, at least to some degree. In BCI's, some forms of hypomelanism are single-gene and dominant to some degree. Let's say H=normal, h=hypo mutation, then:

HH = normal phenotype
Hh = hypo phenotype
hh = Super hypo phenotype

So super really just means the snake has two mutant alleles.

Good luck with your breeding plans, keep the forum posted.

Thanks,
Ed

>>spending too much time thinking lately. having just got my first morphs, i have been starting to read more on the genetics side of things. With quite a few years before any possible breedings anyway, hopefully i can learn stuff by then!!
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>>Few questions
>>Is there true hypermelanstic brbs out there, if so, what would the result of a homo hyper x homo anery be? Ie once the DH are bred together? Would it cause a nearly black and white brb? I guess opposite to the ghost or??
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>>Also i keeping on reading the term SUPER relating to retic and ball morphs, what does this actually mean, and is it applicable to other pythons and boas? For instance is it shown in BCI or BCC?
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>>Cheers

As far as Hypermelanism goes, I don't know of any proven lines. This male of mine, Gozer, is the only one I have ever seen that might possibly be Hypermel.

I will be breeding him, when he's big enough, to see if this is genetic or just something to line breed for. I'm not sure what the Anery gene would to with Hypermel. It would be cool if it worked like in the Kenyan Sand Boas to make the black & white look. Though since Anery BRBs turn brownish as adults, I doubt that would be possible.

Does anyone else know of a possible Hypermel BRB that is out there? If so I would love to hear about it and see picures if possible.
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Aubrey Ross

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yeah was just throwing ideas out there. Be good to have some people throw some ideas around aswell, breed this to that, that to this, this DH to that homo etc etc etc. The possibilites are endless i would say, i mean look what has happened to ball pythons. (and yes yes, i know it a lot different but you get what im saying). What is, or what could be out there now? any others to add?

orange
red
yellow
hypo
anery
hypermelanistic
xantic?? or is that the same as anery
albino
striped
double striped
calico/pied
clown
pearl
aberrant
etc etc etc

come ideas, put the strangest pairs, together, and have a guess at the possibilities!!

cheers
dave

ps sorry for the rant, but ive eaten all my easter eggs!! too much sugar i think

Yeah, I really believe that BRBs are in the beginning stages of many many morph possibilities. I think they will be just as varied as Ball Pythons, etc. in a few decades. I find it really exciting to be able to take part in this species right now while things are still being discovered.

Oh, and Anery = lacking red, and Axanthic = lacking yellow.
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Aubrey Ross

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y dont go by me because i dont know 100% for sure, but i do believe xantic is lacking yellow and anery is lacking red. and again i dont know for sure but it seems to me that a xantic BRB wouldnt prove to be much of a morph because most dont have much yellow to start with. but there are some so i guess if you line breed high yellows then mix in a xantic gene (when and if it come around) then you might have something. but again that just my personal understand of genitics i might be way off

as for all the others yeah they are all seemingly up and coming only thing is it takes a long time to breed raise and prove genes. but the more that become availible the faster the will start springing up!!!!
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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?
-- bearded dragon for the wifey my list got to big...

more distant future hopefuls
1 or 2 of each maybe a breeding pair?
--anery boa (ooooh)
--jungle carpet python (love to have 1 or 2)
--dumeril boa (ahhhh)

slightly more wishful thinking
--hypo br rainbow boa (love em)
--anery br rainbow boa (oooh even better!!)
--motely boa (gorgeous!!)

also on the talk of ghosts, are there different types of ghost? ie once a ghost is produce, can it then be bred back to high orange and high red, to produce different versions of the ghost, or does it not really work like that, as the hypo and anery gene have already played there cards on some of the colour genes?

dave