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A repost of my High orange blotchless rat snake.

He is the third pic. The first two pics are the snakes I "made" him out of.

The first is a het bubblegum ratsnake that was bred by using a Bubblegum to a high orange everglades ratsnake.

The second is a Blotchless everglades from dwight good.

The third is the product but yet missing photos of the generation before. I just got a cell phone that takes pictures. I have bred a "few" Herptiles over the past 25 years but never took any pictures and still do not own a dig camera as of yet.

I had given the snake away to a friend but just recently acquired him to work with the line again.

I also am working with some Leucistic and Lavender Texas Ratsnakes. I will be breeding this snake into my lucy and lavender line.

What can I say I like orange. LOL.

various colubrids...

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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Frank,.......

Yeah man!, I remember those bad boys!, and I STILL say that intense orange one is AWESOME!

I have a "thing" for orange myself!..LOL!

~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

I have kept a mess load of different species of snakes my entire life. I remember when I first saw the "Tangerine Dream". It was almost primal.

I have never owned a Honduran Milk snake. I have kept Eastern Milk snakes I caught quite a few times in the past.

I have been trying to stay away from them due to my "addictive" persona.

But that last one you pictured is JUST TOO DAMN NICE.

Please elaborate on exactly that is. Hybino?

I gatta have one or um two of those actually.

You sure your name isn't Rich ?

>>Frank,.......
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>>"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

LOL!,.......thanks Frank!

The first two are "extreme" hypo Hondurans, and the last one that you liked is an albino(amel) "tangerine" Hondo.

I know what you mean about the "addictive" persona!,......I'm compelled to drive for four hours tomorrow to pic up yet ANOTHER snake!!!, it's sort of a "MUST" to me that I pic up this aberrant dudes female sibling!

~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

gorgeous, looks more like a leucistic black ratsnake to me!

Very nice abberent. That is why I am afraid to buy even one. I must have a pair like the one in that post. So as long as I am broke it will keep me away for awhile. LOL!!

Very nice Lucy.

I love rat snakes. I will stick with the Texas rat on that line because they naturaly have more orange in them. But my Line will end up being a Generic Rat snake because of that orange snake.

Here is what the gravid female in other post looked like when she was a neonate.

My friend John raised them and bred them for the first time, first try. On an inclination someone told me it couldn't be done.

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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Yes,....I can see your logic!..LOL!

You'll no doubt produce some cool stuff with those animals!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

>>Yes,....I can see your logic!..LOL!
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>> You'll no doubt produce some cool stuff with those animals!
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>>"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Actually, that's a VERY GOOD question!,........I'd need serious convincing that ANYONE can `"really" tell the difference, the meristics and scalation are virtually identical in every respect. I hear about some saying that they can tell the difference by the width of the head, etc........at the very best scenario, this might be considered an extreme generalization, but the idea doesn't hold too much "water" with me in any positive identification.

I've heard about the "Ohio" story and all too, but by now, CERTAINLY if there "WAS" a pure leucistic obsoleta at one time, it would have, for the most part, been introduced to each others lineage already, be it by mistake, or otherwise. I just don't see much of a way around that. Heck, there's enough misidentification going on today as it already is, with all the hybridizers mixing every type of animal they can get their hands on, MUCH LESS a white snake that cannot be discerned at all from the other.

And THAT'S only if you subscribe to them being different in the first place. What if there was a leucistic Black/Texas intergrade?,....... can ANYONE tell me with a straight face that they can tell any difference whatsoever.

See what I mean here?........unless someone KNOWS for certain that a specific animal came from an extremely far, opposite range from one another, who could say?.......Now, there could VERY well be some out there in the hobby, this is very probable, but where EXACTLY are all the leucistics from that are scattered throughout the hobby,..........one thing's for certain, I could not tell you.

best regards, ~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

unless you are hybridizing bull/pine/gopher X rat/corn/fox X milk/king X racer/whipsnake X cribo/indigo X garter/water/ribon-the word "hybrid" makes no sense at all! I'm not trying to say anything bad about locality snakes. personally I think the best snakes are the naturally occuring ones, but integrades ARE hybrids and they are naturally occuring. the most imortant thing is that there is a diversity. the whole thing is rather confusing, and the more you look into it, the more confusing it becomes. no one is god, but breeding any snake in captivity is playing god, and playing god has it's rewards!

As far as TOTAL genetic purity, you're right. But the hets will give a good indication. I was living in Ohio at the time, and knew the guy, saw the snake AND the resulting hets-which were identical to any normal Ohio black rat snake.

Doubtless a lot of "mixing" has occurred since then, but if the hets from a line look like black rats, and not Texas rats, then they probably are at least "mostly"blacks.....
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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

The Avalanche has already started-it is too late for the pebbles to vote....

I would FULLY agree with that!, and thanks for posting that info. I'm sure that guy, and several others that have them, are doing all they can to keep the lineage within itself. But as far as all the rest of the thousands of leucistics already out there in the hobby, and getting bred to who knows what,.....who really knows?

best regards, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

ausome, none the less! those hondos are to die for as well!

great looking animal indeed!,.....and thanks for your compliment as well.

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

golly jeepers!!!! lovely critters....
~kin
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~Sober Serpents~
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Corns, Creamsicles, A Black Rat, Thayeri, Cal Kings, A Jungle Corn(Just A Pet), A Bearded dragon, Leopard Geckos, Green Anoles, a Snapping turtle, and a white cheeked mud turtle

Our rescue:
0.1 green iguana about 3 1/2 feet (Spikey)

Thanks if you check out that link in that page and go to my other critters link you can see one of my two snapping turtles. I got him from a friend when he was the size of a quarter. He was in a salt marsh with a HUGE one floating nearby. Maybe his momma. His name is Poppy. (damn Spanish people I work with rubbing off on me lol.)

>>golly jeepers!!!! lovely critters....
>>~kin
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>>~Sober Serpents~
>>www.freewebs.com/soberserpents
>>Corns, Creamsicles, A Black Rat, Thayeri, Cal Kings, A Jungle Corn(Just A Pet), A Bearded dragon, Leopard Geckos, Green Anoles, a Snapping turtle, and a white cheeked mud turtle
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>>Our rescue:
>>0.1 green iguana about 3 1/2 feet (Spikey)
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

i am soooo jealous you have an african clawed frog!!! i have wanted one since i was little and they are illegal in VA. and your snappy looks cute!!! mine is deformed. someone ran over her nose and now theres just a hole there. so i rescued her from the road... she had dirt all up in her "nose hole" and was breathing out of her mouth. nice critters except the dead deer and nasty bus ewww.
~kin

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~Sober Serpents~
www.freewebs.com/soberserpents
Corns, Creamsicles, A Black Rat, Thayeri, Cal Kings, A Jungle Corn(Just A Pet), A Bearded dragon, Leopard Geckos, Green Anoles, a Snapping turtle, and a white cheeked mud turtle

Our rescue:
0.1 green iguana about 3 1/2 feet (Spikey)

I love that Black Rat snake you have pictured. Both them and the black racer are one of my favorites in NJ, cause they are black. I love all white snakes also.

I used to go to dwight good's web page all the time. He had this one black rat snake. Damn I wanted that beauty...JET BLACK

For the record Black Racers make great pets

I have kept several in my life. I will have to get another one.

I love my ACF his name is Lavis. NJ has some great laws compared to most states. Especially these days when they get all communistic and ban stuff based on whims and witch hunts and not "real" science. The 1800's again. Damit!!!

Although if released ACF can be quite a little invasive species.

>>i am soooo jealous you have an african clawed frog!!! i have wanted one since i was little and they are illegal in VA. and your snappy looks cute!!! mine is deformed. someone ran over her nose and now theres just a hole there. so i rescued her from the road... she had dirt all up in her "nose hole" and was breathing out of her mouth. nice critters except the dead deer and nasty bus ewww.
>>~kin
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>>~Sober Serpents~
>>www.freewebs.com/soberserpents
>>Corns, Creamsicles, A Black Rat, Thayeri, Cal Kings, A Jungle Corn(Just A Pet), A Bearded dragon, Leopard Geckos, Green Anoles, a Snapping turtle, and a white cheeked mud turtle
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>>Our rescue:
>>0.1 green iguana about 3 1/2 feet (Spikey)
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

thats funny!!! i got my black rat from NJ. he was the blackest i have ever seen thats why i fell in love with him
~kin
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~Sober Serpents~
www.freewebs.com/soberserpents
Corns, Creamsicles, A Black Rat, Thayeri, Cal Kings, A Jungle Corn(Just A Pet), A Bearded dragon, Leopard Geckos, Green Anoles, a Snapping turtle, and a white cheeked mud turtle

Our rescue:
0.1 green iguana about 3 1/2 feet (Spikey)

It's one of the few snakes I have not seen or caught in this state. I even know rattlesnake dens in this state...never seen a Black Rat in Jersey. Plenty of 5 to 6 foot Black Racers though!! Pine snakes. Never saw a corn or a queen snake either. Found every endangered salamander but the tiger and almost all other herps in the state as well. I have not been out in the woods looking in quite a few years. I will have to take up hiking. I have been meaning to record some field data on preferred Ambystomatid salamanders for a long time. Probably should instead of sitting in the house and just aging and collecting dust. LOL!
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

glad to hear you rescued the snapper, lots a people do not like them.

Best damn turtles I ever kept, disposal for any unwanted rodents.
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

i know!!! she's always happy to eat a spare mouse... and shes sooo sweet. she always looks up at me when i go into the reptile room. and its so funny when the cats go in there they are scared of her b/c she bites the tank if they get too close. and in the pic you can kinda see the hole- its not a great photo, but she was hissing at me

~kin
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~Sober Serpents~
www.freewebs.com/soberserpents
Corns, Creamsicles, A Black Rat, Thayeri, Cal Kings, A Jungle Corn(Just A Pet), A Bearded dragon, Leopard Geckos, Green Anoles, a Snapping turtle, and a white cheeked mud turtle

Our rescue:
0.1 green iguana about 3 1/2 feet (Spikey)

>>i know!!! she's always happy to eat a spare mouse... and shes sooo sweet. she always looks up at me when i go into the reptile room. and its so funny when the cats go in there they are scared of her b/c she bites the tank if they get too close. and in the pic you can kinda see the hole- its not a great photo, but she was hissing at me
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>>~kin
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>>~Sober Serpents~
>>www.freewebs.com/soberserpents
>>Corns, Creamsicles, A Black Rat, Thayeri, Cal Kings, A Jungle Corn(Just A Pet), A Bearded dragon, Leopard Geckos, Green Anoles, a Snapping turtle, and a white cheeked mud turtle
>>
>>Our rescue:
>>0.1 green iguana about 3 1/2 feet (Spikey)
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.