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Okay, much better pictures of Eddie. I took him to my former sister-in-law's house today and she confirmed (as the rest of you already know) that he is indeed a Floridana. Unfortunately, the trip upset him and he regurged the two fuzzies he'd eaten last night, but he's in his tank now, comfy and warm, so tomorrow night after he's regenerated his digestive juices, I'll feed him another fuzzy and see how he takes it. Aside from that, he and Charley both did well on the trip. ^_^

However, before I put him back in his home, I kept the little bugger outside and snapped some pictures. Enjoy!

By the way, every time I tried to let him roam in the grass for some nice pictures, he tried to burrow. lol.

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Holly

0.1 Lavender California Kingsnake (Lizzie Borden) (missing )
1.0 Florida Kingsnake possible mix (Eddie Gein)
1.0 Bearded Dragon (Charley Manson)
1.0 Orange Marmalade Cat (Oliver)
1.0 Egyptian Arabian (Bagan)

2.0 Toddlers (Justice & Trevor)

Gorgeous snake!!

Pretty nice for a Petsmart buy, lol. I would've preferred ordering another snake online, but after this little guy had sat in their tank for four months, I was afraid some little kid would get a hold of him. >_
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Holly

0.1 Lavender California Kingsnake (Lizzie Borden) (missing )
1.0 Florida Kingsnake possible mix (Eddie Gein)
1.0 Bearded Dragon (Charley Manson)
1.0 Orange Marmalade Cat (Oliver)
1.0 Egyptian Arabian (Bagan)

2.0 Toddlers (Justice & Trevor)

Well I applaud you! You sound like a great person and that is a very pretty snake!

Brian

Actually, it may take more than a few nights for him to fully rejuvinate his digestive juices. Because he just puked, if you feed him tommorrow, the chances of him puking again are great, and then the possibility of him going downhill rises.

Wait 7-10 days before offering any more food. Then, give him a really small fuzzie or big pink. If he keeps this down, then gradually, and I mean gradually, give him something a little larger, then he should be fine. It is just now since he has puked he needs time to completely and fully rejuvinate his digestive juices.

In the future, wait 2-3 days before transporting snakes after feeding, as I had the exact same thing happen to a milk snake of mine when I moved him the day after he ate.

Take care!
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Genesis 1:1

That was actually going to be my next question, how long it would take for him to recover. Yeah, I shouldn't have fed him the fuzzies the night before, I'll remember that in the future. I've still got quite a few pinkies left, so I'll start him with one of those in about a week.

Yeah, his awesome black/cream color is one of the reasons I first thought he might have some eastern in him. Is it possible he's a "Peninsula King"? I'm really curious if he's going to lighten up a lot as he gets older or if he will stay pretty dark. I love the chessboard pattern on his belly. ^_^
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Holly

0.1 Lavender California Kingsnake (Lizzie Borden) (missing )
1.0 Florida Kingsnake possible mix (Eddie Gein)
1.0 Bearded Dragon (Charley Manson)
1.0 Orange Marmalade Cat (Oliver)
1.0 Egyptian Arabian (Bagan)

2.0 Toddlers (Justice & Trevor)

While the advice givin is not bad, its generic. Which means, it may or maynot actually apply.

You see, you have a reptile and reptiles respond directly to conditions. In this case, kingsnakes can digest their food in 24hours, under good conditions, or take much longer, under other or marginal conditions. So the time to wait cannot be determined without knowing those conditions.

Next is reason, if handling caused a snake to regurgitate, then they can feed again immediately. I have often seen snakes regurg, then consume that(yuk) right then or the next day. Thats what a healthy snake will do. But if there is something wrong with the snake, then to wait until that heals is the proper advice. If a condition in the gut was reason for the snake to regurg, then of course allow that to heal first. Waiting allows the immune system to fix the problem.

The most common reasons for regurgitation is improper temps and hydration. This has nothing to do with time, it simply needs to be fixed.

This time of year, lots of keepers are feeding snakes with insuficent temps. The keepers think its time, but their charges do not, hahahahahahaha. When the temps are marginal, the snake feeds, but cannot properly digest its food, hence throwing it up.

In nature, snakes increase temps, build up their systems before they feed. In many areas, they do so by basking. If the ground temps are still low, they will also bask to digest their food.

In most cases snake regionally bask, that is, they only heat up the food bolus. They place that part of their body on heat(in the sun or other hot spot) While the rest of their body is concealed and cooler. I have many wild pics of this behavior.

Back to my grip. I really like for keepers to understand why they are doing something, not just follow generic instructions. Its so much better and less restrictive for the captive animal. Cheers

Frank,

Although your post does have some good advice, I have to say that I could honestly not disagree with you any more about waiting to feed snakes after they regurge. Also, to say that something is wrong with the snake if a wait has to ensue in order for the snake’s stomach to retain its’ digestive juices is really not accurate, to say the least.

The act of regurging in snakes takes so much of a toll with them, and that is why one simple thing is so crucial. It’s just that simple, and that thing needed is TIME. The snake needs time to fully recuperate its’ digestive juices. Without the level of juices having time to be built back up before the next meal, the chance of another regurge is great if the snake is fed right away.

I do agree with you that improper temps is very much a huge reason for regurges in collections. Identifying WHY the snake regurged as well is very crucial as well.

This is not generic advice, this is SOUND advice that is putting forth and uplifting the complete well being of a snake and its’ health. The recovery of someone’s pet snake is of the uttermost importance in this situation and playing it safe is by far, the wisest thing to do. Time to allow the snake to recuperate is the key.

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Genesis 1:1

Well, fortunately, I'm quite certain there's nothing wrong with my snake. He did not regurge because of handling, I never took him out of his feedbox. I did, however, travel for an hour with him in the van to go visit my former sister-in-law who lives on a very rough dirt road. I'm pretty certain that either the ride there or the 2 year old who kept peering in at him from her house, caused the regurge. He got too stressed, either way. I had fed him the night before the trip, which was a mistake, I know now.

By the way, when I spoke with her yesterday, she also agreed that I should wait at least a week before offering food again. He's a very healthy snake, he can handle waiting a week. His last feeding before the one he regurged was only about four days prior, so he won't be too starved.

It was my fault the poor guy spit his food back up. Next time I travel with him, I will be much more careful. For one, I won't feed him the night before, I'll make sure he's digested whatever I had fed him last before making any trips. Also, I will make certain the little 2 year old doesn't bother him at all. My boys know not to stress him, but that little guy didn't.

These are pictures of him eating right after I bought him, a little over a month ago.

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Holly

0.1 Lavender California Kingsnake (Lizzie Borden) (missing )
1.0 Florida Kingsnake possible mix (Eddie Gein)
1.0 Bearded Dragon (Charley Manson)
1.0 Orange Marmalade Cat (Oliver)
1.0 Egyptian Arabian (Bagan)

2.0 Toddlers (Justice & Trevor)

Yes, I will agree that the traveling was what did it. I did the same thing years ago when I had taken an adult sinaloan to a friend's house, completely forgetting I had given him an extra mouse that I had thawed out for another snake the night before during feeding, and of course, he greeted me with a puked up mouse by the time I had reached my friend's house. I waited a week, fed a smaller-than-normal item at first, and he was good to go. He is one of my older snakes now, and is 14 this year.

You have a gorgeous snake and I can tell you really care about your snake!! Please keep us posted with plenty of pics!!
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Genesis 1:1

"You have a gorgeous snake and I can tell you really care about your snake!! Please keep us posted with plenty of pics!!"

I love him so much that he has five inches of substrate, burrows constantly, and I never see him, but I wouldn't put him on reptile carpet for the world. He's very comfortable when he's in his terrarium, so I'm keeping it exactly the way it is, even if I hardly ever get to actually see my snake.

I learn more every time I read these forums and I read them every day. Like always, I learn everything I possibly can about my pets. I can't even tell you how many horse books I read before we bought Bagan 13 years ago. ^_^

Pictures, oh yes, there will be more pictures of my gorgeous snake. ^_^ I have a good camera, it's just hard to get my little nocturnal guy out in the daylight.
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Holly

0.1 Lavender California Kingsnake (Lizzie Borden) (missing )
1.0 Florida Kingsnake possible mix (Eddie Gein)
1.0 Bearded Dragon (Charley Manson)
1.0 Orange Marmalade Cat (Oliver)
1.0 Egyptian Arabian (Bagan)

2.0 Toddlers (Justice & Trevor)

n/p
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Totally agree, wait at least a week, please.
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Todd Hughes

Those are very nice pics! Others are right - I would wait a week to feed again and go smaller. Glad she has a great home.

that flo looks prettier every time you post a new pic of heshe... and alot less yellow looking in natural light... if not for the "flame sides" almost looks eastern