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arabesque? Can ANYONE verify any of these EVER producing a litter and ALL jungles, motleys, or arabs? I remain perplexed at the fact that of all of these produced in the past I have never seen any produce a litter. ANY help/answers would be appreciated. It makes one think there might be an issue or something not being mentioned. Thanks!
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Ty
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But the only one I really wondered about was Super Jungles. Has anyone ever at any time ever in the history of mankind ever proven what was believed to be a Super Jungle? Has anyone ever bred a Super Jungle to something else, producing a decent sized litter in which every single baby was a Jungle? I've thought about asking that question for a long time. Since you let the cat out of the bag I thought I would follow up as well.

Super Jungle = All Jungles proven???
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Maybe...*WARNING*You are now at risk of starting a thread that may actually lead to intelligent discussion,or the revelation of actual facts...dangerous ground,to be certain...please ignore the above questions,and return to your normal happy thoughts,and filling out money orders.
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I believe the first "Jungle" that Pete Kahl bred, the one pictured in the "Boa Constrictor Manual" was actually a Super Jungle. Proven because it did indeed produce all Jungles.

I'm sure you could check with Pete on this.
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Gilbert Boas
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Tim, you made me laugh so hard I almost peed my pants.

I just feel that the burden of proof should precede,or be held in lieu of, blind faith,(or,a$$umptions.)and should always be obligatory rather than an optional sidenote that we should have to root around for some decades later...but,that's just me,I'm funny that way...(ask Trey! )
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I know the first arab to arab breeding was in 04 and none of the animals have bred to date???????????????

It will be interesting to see if any of the super forms have ever produced. It would be sad if the supers "might" not be able to produce. "If" it was true.... That would make them cute, and very expensive, pets. Even if it was true and I had the money. I'd still buy one.

Jungles are tricky, theres always a few low expression jungles in a litter, they would have to be proven jungle for the super to be proven.
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I know a super Jungle has bred and produced 90% Jungles. I think their was 1 or 2 normals in the litter.

Michael T
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Weird. Is it possible the father was actually a jungle not a super jungle? could it have been that the father was a homozygous jungle and the two normals were just low expression hets? they seem like healthy boas and perhapse in light of new genetic diversity the reproduction of animals with these kind of genes will become more common. We will see

...aside from parthenogenisis or retained sperm accounting for the normals. It is scientifically impossible for a Homozygous animal not to pass on its trait in the heterozygous form to all of its offspring.

Given that it was Jungles, and Supers are easily identified, the offspring in question were likely low expressions that would normally be sold as possibles.
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