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I need some advice on Sand

RMCADguy Mar 25, 2008 07:00 PM

Hello, hope you and your herps are all well,

I have an issue concerning sand. I have used it before with many herps, uromastyx included. When I first started using sand, I used the store bought stuff, but that was 10 years ago. I then switched to a sand I found at home depot, that has the consistency of play sand, but without all the dust, the only issue is that it is sporadically available and costs about 4 bucks a bag and the bags are only about 2 pounds or so.

My question is this, does anyone have an effective tips for eliminating the dust issue that comes with using playsand?

Thanks

Phil

Replies (10)

Dannyboy9 Mar 25, 2008 07:38 PM

Good question. Even with thorough washing, it still remains dusty after it dries. We're thinking something more clay based as an alternative.

mAli Mar 26, 2008 10:02 PM

i have read about mixing clay with sand but it was very vague(that's all it said). anyone have any idea what type of clay to mix?

doublemom Mar 26, 2008 12:55 AM

I've recently switched from play sand from Toys'R'Us that was too coarse for my liking... to pool filter sand from a pool supply store. It's $13 for a 50-lb. bag, and is super-clean. When I first poured a bit out of the bag, there was literally no dust at all. I was able to put it directly into the enclosure without having to wash or sift it at all, and I'm still happy with how it's doing. though it's more expensive than the regular hardware store play sand, to me it's well worth it to get something that clean.

Andi

redtoad Mar 26, 2008 07:19 AM

Cleaning sand is not hard at all but it takes some time as you will need to dry it out. I learned this when I started with aquariums.

Items you will need:

A large bucket
Outdoor garden hose with water supply
Old bed sheet
Large table
Sunshine

Put your sand in the bucket- it is easier to do this in batches.

Now go to your garden hose and switch the water on and put the hose end in the bottom of the bucket of sand. Adjust the water pressure so as not to blow the sand out of the bucket. You want to run the water to a full bucket and allow water to spill out over the edges. Move the hose end around often at the bottom of the bucket to 'wash' the sand. If done with the right amount of water pressure the dust and other light weight material will flow out with the water pressure and the sand remains in the bottom of the bucket.

You can clean 'old' habitat sand the same way to float out debris. Run water and float debris out until the water runs clear. The sand is now quite clean and 'washed'! If you wish you can allow the cleaned sand to sit in the bucket with a bit of bleach to sanitize, then go through a rinse cycle again to remove the bleach.

Now you need to dry your sand.

A sunny day and a picnic table works best for this so I don't do my sand cleaning until spring. But, get an old bed sheet and spread your wet sand thinly over the surface. Let it dry in the sun, stirring occasionally if needed. The ultraviolet will also help kill off 'critters', should there be any.

I maintain a reletively thin layer of sand for my lizards. Only to aid in removing waste and old food. I used a common kitchen strainer to clean out the large items in between 'washings'. The sand flows through but not the big stuff.

One of my Uro's will not crap in his habitat which helps as he is very big so messy when he 'goes'. I can tell when he needs to relieve himself and sometimes as soon as he hits the newspaper on the floor by the deck door he's letting loose. Yes, he holds it until I take him out, meaning he will wait until I get home from work.

Trust me I will try and get the rest to learn this!

I will be updating my enclosed habitat with real slate tiles, rocks and heating cable. I recently learned to lay tile (did my bathroom, thanks HGTV!) and saw how easy it is to mix thin set, cut tile and grout. Doing this will allow a smaller portion of sand in the habitat and more stone surface to help keep claws blunted and give the lizards a much more interesting home.

redtoad Mar 26, 2008 07:26 AM

Also Phil, that Home Depot sand should be available in 50 pound or 70 pound bags. It is at the one I shop at! Most hardware stores carry sand too.

RMCADguy Mar 26, 2008 12:49 PM

Thank you all very much for the advice.

I believe I had my desert iguanas on the sand from Toys R Us for a long time because it was so dust free. I will likely get more of that sand for now.

On the pool filter sand, is it just sand or are there any other ingredients in it since it is designed for pools?

thanks

phil

redtoad Mar 26, 2008 02:15 PM

It might, isn't most pool filter sand silica based?

RMCADguy Mar 26, 2008 04:59 PM

I am sure it is, alot of sands are silica based. And usually those sands are not so bad, as long as they are not sharp grain. Even regular playsand contains some silica.

I will check out the ingredients in the pool sand, and if it has no extra chemicals, I will give it a try.

Thanks everyone!!

Phil

el_toro Mar 26, 2008 10:07 PM

Check on it, but the kind I get is just natural beach sand. Nothing added.
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Torey
Eugene, Oregon, USA
1.1 Saharan Uros (Joe and Arthur)
3.0 Mali Uros (Spike, Turtle, and Tank)
1.1 Ornate Uros (Scuttlebutt and Shazzbot)
0.1 Collared Lizard (Rorschach)
2.0 Green Anoles (Bowser and Sprocket)
1.1 Chubby Housecats (Roscolux and Jenny)

angelwaltz May 02, 2008 02:11 AM

Hello, I know it's been a little bit since this was posted but I just went through a similar thing. After researching sands I have pretty much figured out that ALL sands are silica based. Even when they state No Silica... (quartz = crystalline silica)

I found this little pdf on the Quikrete site that I think should be read by people using their Playsand (the playsand most commonly found at home depot)

http://www.quikrete.com/PDFs/MSDS-B4-Playsand.pdf

I'm sure this has been brought up before and people have been using this stuff with no adverse results, but I'm very hesitant. Just the list of diseases this stuff can cause in humans is enough to make me return my 50lb bag first thing tomorrow. (Lung cancer, silicosis, tuberculosis, kidney diseases?! YIKES!!!)

Does that mean that calci-sand is really the only way to go as it is mainly made of calcium? I don't know, but I think that's what I'll stick to. Might be expensive, but I guess better safe than sorry. I need to check out excavator too. I'm pretty sure that is mainly clay but not 100% certain.

Anyways, just thought I'd put the link to that pdf on here for further reading. Crazy stuff...

Oh, and I'm pretty sure all pool-filter sands are very high in silica.

What did you end up using, btw?

Fernando

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