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Dude, Kerby its almost april and I havn't seen any cal king porn from you yet.

Where ya been???

He was late last year too. I think where he lives, they don't come out until some time in April.

But if you want porn involving Cal Kings - here's some soft core (I don't lift the tails to show the actual organs, there's enough of that)

Not as nice as what kerby has - but heh, I'm still just getting started
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Hey, I have to ask? is that a nigrita on that amel cali? and if it is WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

L8r

Yes - it's an MBK on the Cal King.
My female MBK is not yet breedable - so I decided it would be neat to do the cross and see what came out.

While it will take many generations, I think it also would be neat to borrow the amel gene into MBK lines. I would have rather started with an amel splendida, but amel cal king is what I had.
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To each his own!
-Phil
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Work is the curse
of the drinking class!

Why would you want to do that? Seriously...what do you get? There are already paternless white cal kings. I just don't get it.

I have a suspicion that the end result will look like an amel splendida and NOT like a blizard.

I know some people don't like integrades and hybrids.
Cal Kings and MBKs do have a natural integrade zone, however, and I will always indicate that this line is known integrade, so that people who wish to avoid them can do so.
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>>>"I will always indicate that this line is known integrade, so that people who wish to avoid them can do so".

The honesty from you, that they would be sold as intergrades is admirable, true enough, but what they will be sold as, and bred to down the line later on is what creates the real problem. After they leave your table, they, and all their future offspring will end up in places they shouldn't be.

Selling intergrades, or hybrid crosses honestly only works(at best) the very first time from the original breeder, after that, people(buyers/breeders) either forget, weren't told, don't know, or don't care, and they are treated and sold as whatever they more closely resemble. This is the "real" way this works.

I'm not trying to start a big problem by saying this either, but the fact is, nobody really needs to intensionally add more problems to the thousands that are already out there.

Like Phil already mentioned, "to each, his own", but this is something to seriously think about, whatever combination you make, it will wind up "out there" somewhere, and they cannot be brought back once that happens.

Again, this isn't meant to be a personal bashing, just something to seriously think about,......if what I'm saying doesn't matter to you, or make any sense, then go ahead and do what many others are doing in the hobby today.

take care, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Yeah - I understand that problem, but since I can't trace my MBKs back to WC they never would meet the standards for a re-introduction or for a purist who wants to _know_ that the snake is not an integrade.

I already can not guarantee that my MBKs are not intergrades.
I don't know. They may have intentional ancestry from non MBK stock - or some of their ancestors may have come from the natural intergration zones with Cal King or Splendida.

We need something like the ACR where purity is concerned - not because the data is guaranteed to be legit, but it is an easy place to organize it for the purity people. Some corn breeders (IE Joe Pierce) have some very nice lines they can trace back to WC in the ACR.

Other than my 3 WC cal kings and my 2 WC pac gophers, I can not trace any of my snakes back to WC, so there already is no guarantee of purity in my MBKs. I wish I could trace them back to WC - IMHO a CB snake that can be completely traced back to WC is worth more.
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o.k.,
With the MBK nobody is real concerned if they are tracible to wc stock.They are just a hobby snake and probably are pure or very close since what is really pure? I have found MBK on the AJO road just 5 miles away from splendida and I am talking solid Black.
Like Doug said its not really a issue with you (the breeder)but what happens down the road.I have seen it over and over.I can't tell you how many times I have looked at a snake or some snakes on a table etc and thought hum!!! they just look wrong.So, I start asking questions and do some chatting with other vendors etc.... and low and behold sometimes a vendor across the room didn't have a match for his mbk so he just used a splendida or speckled or whatever??? this is just a example and it happens all the time and I would bet my whole collection that atleast half the snake in the "ARC" are bogus just cause people didn't really know when they started the regestry.You can't tell me that most those snakes tarce back to wc.I remember 15 or so years ago when a rat snake was a rat snake etc.. and how do you think all these "frosted" corns came about? how do you think all the ultra stuff came about? what about the rootbeer corns? (I started those btw) I am guilty as the next guy.I would never do it now but its a live and learn type of experiance.
So, we aren't trying to bust your ball pythons here but you will look back 10 years from now and think yep, I should have just skipped that breeding.

Anyway, we can't change the world and to each his own,different strokes for differnt fokes.

L8r Shannon