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This is a female given to me from Charlotte Cty. Va.She was really thin when I got her last fall.I'm thinking she had prbably laid eggs and not gained much weight back when caught. Jeff

Very cool!,.....she's got a silvery gray "Miami" look to her.

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Y'know, I love all the morphs and such, and if I had the time/money I would have bunches...but when I come right down to it...Ain't noting like the real thing, baby!

Seriously ...good looking lady there...does kinda sorta look Miami-ish.

Cheers!

John
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I am so not lesdysxic!

0.1 Creamsicle Cornsake
1.0 Bairds Ratsnake
0.1 Desert Kingsnake
1.1 Eastern Kingsnakes

She's gorgeous
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Connie
Rainier, OR
1.0 Bearded Dragon (Bonsai)
1.0 Mali Uromastyx (Slash)
0.1 Amel Corn (Rosie)
1.0 Peach Faced Love Bird (Sassy)
3.2 Cats (Nitro, Chase, Hunter, Pixie & Snowball)
2.2 Dogs (Turbo, Chance, Storm & Hope)

1st, that is a very cool looking snake. The red is so vivid for that background.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but won't that be a great project snake for candy canes?

Very cool snake.
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.HerpZillA.com

Yes, since selectively-bred amel "Miami's" are what "Candy Cane's" are genetically, if the one Jeff posted had the melanin removed with amelanism, it would tend to leave an interesting whiter background coloration, and "clean-up", and intensify the remaining reds. It's anyone's guess as to how much(if any) other possible underlying coloration would actually remain.

That certainly would make for an interesting project.

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

That would be a great project not only for the provement to the candy cane looks but also for making some real nice miami-type offspring.

Years ago I started a project I called "Candied-Miamis" in which I bred candy canes into miamis and I eded up with some killer miamis...I planned to take it a few moer generations but never did.

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Mike Heinrich,
708-428-5616
Mike@amazontreeboa.org
http://www.amazontreeboa.org

the Miami phase.

On the topic of candy canes, has anyone added hypo to candy canes?

I'm not up on many morphs,, so it may be out there and I just don't know it.
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.HerpZillA.com

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>>On the topic of candy canes, has anyone added hypo to candy canes?
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>>I'm not up on many morphs,, so it may be out there and I just don't know it.
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Probably not, for 2 main reasons...

First; everyone (IMO mistakenly) seems to think the Hypo gene does nothing for the Amel morphs

Second; nowadays there seems to be little interest in anything but high dollar cutting-edge morphs. I'm not meaning this as an insult or anything, but that's just what motivates most...other guys, Draybar is the first to come to mind, focus mainly on what appeals to them personally, an enthusiast in the truest sense...

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Mike Heinrich,
708-428-5616
Mike@amazontreeboa.org
http://www.amazontreeboa.org

To many people gear toward$ high end $tuff.

I personally only have a few bloodreds. Not for a value thing, it was my first corn. And I did not even know it was a bloodred. I just like red.

But, the people with a lot of corns, forget one thing that made the corns so popular was people going in all directions. There's nothing wrong with a money project. But to many money projects makes a hobby a job/business. JMOOC

Ball pythons too. So many people talk to me about getting this morph or that one. Only for plans to make money. I try to explain to people, if your getting one from a local show, odds are the big guys are already onto a new morph project. I've seen so many people invest $1000's thinking they will make it all back and more.

Much like baseball cards. I know a guy that dropped $30k+ in about 2 years. He lost his arse. I know,, it was me!
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.HerpZillA.com

I saw people all over the country selling off their collections (species they had worked with for decades; species they LOVED) just so they could jump into the ball python market...when all their lives the ball python never appealed to them at all...until the big money morph boom!

A close friend paid 8K for a Spider, by the time he had babies he got 1K for them, buy the time he could produce them a second time...it wasn't even worth the time and effort.

A fears ago, a close friend paid $10K for a Super Pastel...someone stole it right out of his snake room...even if they hadn't, what would it be worth right now, a couple hundred?
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Mike Heinrich,
708-428-5616
Mike@amazontreeboa.org
http://www.amazontreeboa.org

n/p
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.HerpZillA.com

are ALSO ball folks!

Too many people expect to get RICH, is the problem. You can assuredly make a profit breeding any snake, but if you expect to get rich you're living in a fantasy world. For example, normal ball pythons. Be conservative and say you can sell normal baby balls for only $25. If you have at all decent sized females, you can easily average 8 babies per year per female. Even if you have to buy rats (as opposed to raising them) it will cost you no more than 30-40 to feed that female for the year. Add another 30-40 for bedding and heat-a gross overestimate if you have any kind of rack system (on a per snake basis). So your expenses are less than $80 per female, while her babies bring in $200 at least. In the real world this figure will be higher-as I said these are gross overestmates.

Super pastels, by the way, are STILL a thousand dollar morph. If I'd paid that for a male super a few years back, and had been breeding him to several pastel and normal females since then, I'd be pretty happy with my profit....but I'd be even happier to be working with such cool snakes-that SHOULD be the real "bottom line"...
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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

The Avalanche has already started-it is too late for the pebbles to vote....

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>>Second; nowadays there seems to be little interest in anything but high dollar cutting-edge morphs. I'm not meaning this as an insult or anything, but that's just what motivates most...other guys, Draybar is the first to come to mind, focus mainly on what appeals to them personally, an enthusiast in the truest sense...
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Thank you Mike
That is a very nice thing to say.
I appreciate it.

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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Just telling the truth Jimmy, no need to thank me

BTW....hope there's no hard feelings from our post exchanges a few months ago...it was nothing personal, I think of it as 2 long time veterans vollying opinions. If you took it the wrong way, I publicly apoligize...

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Mike Heinrich,
708-428-5616
Mike@amazontreeboa.org
http://www.amazontreeboa.org

>>Just telling the truth Jimmy, no need to thank me
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>>BTW....hope there's no hard feelings from our post exchanges a few months ago...it was nothing personal, I think of it as 2 long time veterans vollying opinions. If you took it the wrong way, I publicly apoligize...
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No need to apologise.
we voiced our opinions and moved on.
I sure don't remember you making it personal and I hope I didn't either.
as far as I'm concerned....we're cool!
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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I'm of out of the Corn hobby now and don't want to leave any unfinished business behind

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Mike Heinrich,
708-428-5616
Mike@amazontreeboa.org
http://www.amazontreeboa.org

>>This is a female given to me from Charlotte Cty. Va.She was really thin when I got her last fall.I'm thinking she had prbably laid eggs and not gained much weight back when caught. Jeff
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Mike Heinrich,
708-428-5616
Mike@amazontreeboa.org
http://www.amazontreeboa.org

Thanks everyone for the comments/suggestions! I actually have a really clean male orange candycane that I may breed with her.As far as making money goes,If snakes were my source of income I would have starved long ago!l.o.l. I actuaully give away more critters than I sell,for me it's a labor of love. Take care!, Jeff

>>This is a female given to me from Charlotte Cty. Va.She was really thin when I got her last fall.I'm thinking she had prbably laid eggs and not gained much weight back when caught. Jeff
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Jeff,
she is definitely a beautiful snake.
You my friend, have too manmy snakes that make me jealous.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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>>Jeff,
>> she is definitely a beautiful snake.
>>You my friend, have too manmy snakes that make me jealous.
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oops too many
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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Thats probably why we always meet up to exchange snakes... he's probably afraid i'd steal them all.... j/k jeff is a great guy... and his wife is hilarious! i'd love to see his collection one day.... as for mine.,... it keeps growing.....
~kin
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~Sober Serpents~
www.freewebs.com/soberserpents
Corns, Creamsicles, A Black Rat, Thayeri, Cal Kings, A Jungle Corn(Just A Pet), A Ball Python, A Bearded dragon, Leopard Geckos, Green Anoles, a Snapping turtle, and a white cheeked mud turtle

Thanks Kin! I'll have to invite you and the hubby up sometime!! Jeff

yeah, we'll come as soon as gas isnt like $4 a gallon... we're doing as little traveling as possible right now

~kin
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~Sober Serpents~
www.freewebs.com/soberserpents
Corns, Creamsicles, A Black Rat, Thayeri, Cal Kings, A Jungle Corn(Just A Pet), A Ball Python, A Bearded dragon, Leopard Geckos, Green Anoles, a Snapping turtle, and a white cheeked mud turtle

Thanks Jimmy!! Jeff