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Black Eyed Leucistic Retic!

prehistoricpets Apr 03, 2008 06:16 PM

Hopefully you're as excited to see these pictures, as we were to see these hatch!

We are excited to say that a small percentage of babies from the white fire to white fire breeding, produced a new form of White Fire!

We are trying to think of a cool name for it, and it may wind up being a Black Eyed Leucistic, although we are entertaining the idea of calling them the "Angel Phase".

These are pure white snake with big dark eyes. Unbelievable in person!

This is a joint breeding effort with Bob Clark.

Enjoy!

Jay-

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Replies (17)

tibor Apr 03, 2008 10:11 PM

Wow..another surprise..great job coming up with that.!

prehistoricpets Apr 03, 2008 10:57 PM

Thanks Tibor! This morph is just packed with neat stuff! 3 forms of white snake, plus the platinum! UNREAL! We couldn't be happier.
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BenR79 Apr 04, 2008 03:38 PM

Thats awesome Jay! Congrats!

EVILMORPHGOD Apr 04, 2008 05:32 PM

Did you make Ultra Ivories too?????

I make the white ones, the Ivories and the Ultras.....

But that was from breeding Platty to Ivory...

You have raised the power by breeding the Ivories together....

That baby looks MINT!!!

Kev
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EVILMORPHGOD Apr 04, 2008 05:34 PM

Make us DROOL!!!!

I got something new hatching too.....

ORANGE!!!!!!!!!
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prehistoricpets Apr 04, 2008 11:36 PM

We also have one of the orange ultras we think?? We will need to compare pics soon!
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EvilMorphgod Apr 05, 2008 10:36 AM

>>We also have one of the orange ultras we think?? We will need to compare pics soon!
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Did you make anything weird????? You are being AWFULLY QUIET!!!!!

SATAAN
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ChondroGTP Apr 05, 2008 11:43 AM

HEYY!! Kev!!! Its Gilbert (lettuce)!!! Man that lucy is sweet they made huh??

FRoberts Apr 05, 2008 06:38 PM

I read on your page the snakes are exhibiting an Incomplete Dominance trait. From my readings about this as you mix those snakes together you will get a variable amount of blended colors, some one color, some the other color and therefore their is going to be MANY different colored snakes as you mix and match what you term them different as (Irovy,ultaivory etc.).

MANY MANY MANY different colored snakes and if you breed what you are currently calling Blue eyed leucistic together you should not get all blue eyed leucistic. You can get some however, you can get whatever you mixed to make them as well.

Incomplete Dominance will keep it more exciting then co dominate and less predictable... LOL!!

IMO there could be other genotypic factors involved to make it even more interesting!!!!

>>Hopefully you're as excited to see these pictures, as we were to see these hatch!
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>>We are excited to say that a small percentage of babies from the white fire to white fire breeding, produced a new form of White Fire!
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>>We are trying to think of a cool name for it, and it may wind up being a Black Eyed Leucistic, although we are entertaining the idea of calling them the "Angel Phase".
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>>These are pure white snake with big dark eyes. Unbelievable in person!
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>>This is a joint breeding effort with Bob Clark.
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>>Enjoy!
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>>Jay-
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Frank Roberts

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

prehistoricpets Apr 05, 2008 07:19 PM

Technically what we call "Co-dominant" in reptiles is incomplete dominant.

Here are some definitions:

In codominance, neither phenotype is recessive. Instead, the heterozygous individual expresses both phenotypes. A common example is the ABO blood group system. The gene for blood types has three alleles: A, B, and i. i causes O type and is recessive to both A and B. The A and B alleles are codominant with each other. When a person has both an A and a B allele, the person has type AB blood.

When two persons with AB blood type have children, the children can be type A, type B, or type AB. There is a 1A:2AB:1B phenotype ratio instead of the 3:1 phenotype ratio found when one allele is dominant and the other is recessive. This is the same phenotype ratio found in matings of two organisms that are heterozygous for incomplete dominant alleles.

Incomplete dominant

Discovered by Karl Correns, incomplete dominance (sometimes called partial dominance) is a heterozygous genotype that creates an intermediate phenotype. In this case, only one allele (usually the wild type) at the single locus is expressed in a doseage dependent manner, which results in an intermediate phenotype. A cross of two intermediate phenotypes (= monohybrid heterozygotes) will result in the reappearance of both parent phenotypes and the intermediate phenotype. There is a 1:2:1 phenotype ratio instead of the 3:1 phenotype ratio found when one allele is dominant and the other is recessive. This lets an organism's genotype be diagnosed from its phenotype without time-consuming breeding tests.

Example of Co-dominant would be
Sharp Albino X Boa Woman Caramel = Normals, hets for one morph or the other and Paradigms.

Incomplete Dominant would be
Tiger X Tiger = Normal, Tiger, Super Tiger.

Per my understanding, an incomplete dominant trait would express itself in one of two ways. 1.) Visual Heterozygous with one affected Gene. 2.) Visual Homozygous with two affected Genes.

Time will tell what's going on with this morph. Either way it keeps it fun!

FRoberts Apr 05, 2008 09:03 PM

Well I am comparing it to this...

Incomplete Dominance

Definition: A form of intermediate inheritance in which heterozygous alleles are both expressed, resulting in a combined phenotype.

For example, in cross-pollination experiments between red and white snapdragon plants the resulting offspring are pink.

When two pink plants are breed together you get Pink Plants, White Plants, and Red Plants.

Since you are dealing with colors and not patterns like in tiger retics the results probably will be MUCH different in appearance. Perhaps NOT...but I noticed many boas, balls, and retic morphs are not behaving themselves and following known mendelian genetics manuals and are "learning" everyone and boggling the minds of people like Paul Hollander...who I would say knows genetics fairly well...

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FRoberts Apr 05, 2008 10:39 PM

Also using the term Leucistic is WRONG..confusing and not an accurate depiction of what this gene is and how it works.

KNOWN luecism as in Texas rat snakes is a simple recessive trait.

Regardless of what the phenotype appears to show outwardly.

All Black eyes white snakes should not be termed as luecism because it is too easily confused with other known recessive traits in this hobby. Better to coin your own unique name as to not confuse people such as myself.

I am still confused by the ball pythons some breeder's call Black Eyed Leucistic.

When bred together do "ALL" the neonates display the phenotypic white ?

I have had yet to see a breeder answer my simple question. I wish someone would !!!

I do not think the lucy ball genes are the same stuff going on with these retics neither.
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Frank Roberts

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

13joshsilva Dec 17, 2008 07:05 AM

The ball python has two types one with blue eyes that comes from a few different co-dom traites and one black eye that comes from fire morph. The retic is from a plantinum which has produced 3 different white snakes the one they call black eyed lucy is on Bob Clarks web site along with a black eyed lucy burm, the black eyed ball is on mike wilbanks site(constrictors) All of the black eyed lucys are totally white.

mjf Apr 05, 2008 11:35 PM

Will you be posting this on youtube?

mfoux Apr 06, 2008 11:36 PM

Wonderful snake! Absolutely stunning.

I'm in advertising and marketing and I'll give you one piece of advice: name it the Angel.

Now I'm afraid I'm going to have to charge you for that advice. You can send me a male purple albino and we'll call it even

BTW, whoever came up with the name Golden Child...AWESOME! It's one of the few snakes I've seen whose name is as cool as the animal.
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bloodpythons Apr 07, 2008 12:52 PM

I inadvertently "named" the Golden Child, in an off-the-cuff remark when we were first looking at pictures of the snake..."that gorgeous bronzy patternless Golden Child thing"...and it just sort of stuck since Kevin hasn't come up with anything else in the mean time.

Kara

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mfoux Apr 12, 2008 12:31 AM

That's cool. Sometimes that's where the coolest ideas come from.
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