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Hey guys and gals it has been awhile since I have posted on here. I have some great news... This sunday 4-6-o8 my 2 normal columbian rainbow females gave birth to 19 babies. This proves that the trait is a simple recessive trait. I will post some pics and a video when I have time. probable not till the weekend since I am currently working two jobs.
Thanks for reading
Matt
BODACIOUSBOAS

Congrats on the births, I know you had some slugs earlier in the season!! Bring some pics to the pet store tomorrow night if you'll be there. I'll be picking up some feeders and would love to see them!!

Congrats, I'm guessing you bred the normal females to a ghost male? I really did like that ghost you had at Anaheim, such a cool looking CRB!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Hi dave, Yes the sire was the ghost male. The babies are huge. I have never had a litter of rainbows that were so plump.

Congratulations Matt! What a great project. This should really add to the allure of CRBs. Now, the ingredients are all set for snows! I'll be especially interested to see what happens when you cross these new offspring. Dou you think they are het for ghost or Double-het for anery/hypo?
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Mike Lockwood
www.tooscaley.com

refering to what you wrote mike, what is the difference between het for ghost and DH for anery/hypo? And will a ghost to ghost pairing deliver just ghosts? Or are they anery and hypo het for each other in a clutch aswell?

And they key to snow, is that by breeding a ghost to an albino? In theory do you get the babies first time around, or is by breeding the DH?? Anery/ghost offspring to each other?

Does anyone have pictures of hypo and anery CRB, they could post would love to see what they look like
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Dave

1.2 Normal BRBs
0.1 Anery BRB
2.1 66% poss het anery BRB
1.1 het hypo BRB

Matt got his ghosts by breeding wild caughts together, so I don't think it's been proven if the babies are in fact double het or not, but theoretically they should be, so het for ghost should be double het for anery/hypo.

And I think snow is albino and anery.

From memory of my discussion with Matt in Anaheim, he got a litter with 1/4ish of the babies having this obvious color difference. No other visually different babies were produced. IMO from that alone I'd expect the "CRB Ghost" morph is a simple recessive single gene trait. Actually confusing since ghost is commonly used to describe a double homosygous animal with Anery and Hypo recessive traits. IMO, with limited knowledge of CRB's it may actually be a recessive hypo trait similar to hypo in BRB's.

Hypo - Reduction in black
Anery - Lack of red pigment
Albino - Lack of black pigment

Ghost - Hypo + Anery
Snow - Anery + Albino
Sunglow - Hypo + Albino

>>Matt got his ghosts by breeding wild caughts together, so I don't think it's been proven if the babies are in fact double het or not, but theoretically they should be, so het for ghost should be double het for anery/hypo.
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>>And I think snow is albino and anery.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Also to add to what Dave said for those who are not as familliar with the ghost trait in other snakes.

Ghost in some of the most common species are much more colorful then just a lighter shade of anery. In these species the hypo trait not only reduces black pigment but also increases some other pigments.

I personally suspect that the ghost trait in CRB's is a single recessive gene from what was mentioned above.

Sean.
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1.1 BRB
1.1 Triple Het TPRS's
0.1 Silver TPRS
1.1 Amel Bloodred Corns
0.1 Abbott Okeetee Corn
0.1 Blizzard Bloodred Corn
1.1 Thayeri Kingsnakes
0.1 Reeve's Turtle
0.2 Amstaff's
1.0 Pudytat

Dave,

That's good information, and makes sense to me, at least based
on my amateur speculation. My theory is that BRB's don't have/produce much erythrin (only in the crescents and maybe dorsal patterns), but Colombians have/produce even less, if any, erythrin. So "anery" wouldn't even be part of the equation. Heck, this new CRB ghost could be caused by the same gene as the hypo in BRB's. ???

Very interesting.

Thanks,
Ed

>>From memory of my discussion with Matt in Anaheim, he got a litter with 1/4ish of the babies having this obvious color difference. No other visually different babies were produced. IMO from that alone I'd expect the "CRB Ghost" morph is a simple recessive single gene trait. Actually confusing since ghost is commonly used to describe a double homosygous animal with Anery and Hypo recessive traits. IMO, with limited knowledge of CRB's it may actually be a recessive hypo trait similar to hypo in BRB's.
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>>Hypo - Reduction in black
>>Anery - Lack of red pigment
>>Albino - Lack of black pigment
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>>Ghost - Hypo + Anery
>>Snow - Anery + Albino
>>Sunglow - Hypo + Albino
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>>>>Matt got his ghosts by breeding wild caughts together, so I don't think it's been proven if the babies are in fact double het or not, but theoretically they should be, so het for ghost should be double het for anery/hypo.
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>>>>And I think snow is albino and anery.
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
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>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
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>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

You're right, if the parents were DH then there'd be anery and hypo babies that were 66%poss het for the other trait. Didn't think about that

I'd suspect simple recessive as well. I sure hope so anyway, the faster he can churn out more of these little treasures, the faster they'll hit the market and I can begin to work with them! I havent seen a snake that speaks to me like that in quite awhile!

did i miss something or where none posted?
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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?
-- bearded dragon for the wifey my list got to big...

I saw a few elsewhere online some time back.

I forgot I had written this when my memory was fresh.....

Saw the Ghost CRB. Backstory is similar to Eve's story, gravid WC female dropped a small litter, two ghosts and one normal, normal was sold as a normal and the ghosts were both bought as something odd...dunno price. Bred together, in 2006 they produced four more ghosts... Nothing took for 2007 so no additional babies yet. Simply stunning, a totally gray rainbow bow, way cool to see, I spent quite some time at that booth and returned several times thruought the day.

Oh yeah, forgot to also mention, I got to HOLD it!!!!! Being Dave from Rainbows-r-us seems to have a few perks, they knew who I was!! LOL, like I was famous or something.....

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

ohhh thats right now i remember thanks dave

and yes gorgeous snake
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-Stephen-

0.1 soon to be wifey (hopefully)
1.0 rotwiler/chow (Boomer-wifey's pooch)
1.0 norm corn (Jake aka grumpy old terdhead)
0.1 col redtail boa (Dixie-my baby girl)
0.1 ball python (Bella- wifey's baby girl)

hopeful for not to distant future:
--brazillian rainbow boas 1 female for sure
2 or 3? maybe a breeding pair?
-- bearded dragon for the wifey my list got to big...

ok, and what does a ghost to ghost produce? All ghosts?

And when you end up with the sunglow and the snow, what are results of these crosses, and if there a result, what the hell would it look like?

Also after those, where can we go with BRBs, to go further, does some new morph have to be found from the wild? Some strange hets for example. Or is just a case, of turning the other brbs, pearl, blush, calico, bullseye, striped etc etc, and trying to combine these together to each other, or mixing with anery and hypos for example?

Sorry all the questions, more i ask, more i want to know!!!
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Dave

1.2 Normal BRBs
0.1 Anery BRB
2.1 66% poss het anery BRB
1.1 het hypo BRB

Congrats!!
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Aubrey Ross

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