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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

I am curious have you ever breed this combo before, and what would the babies look like (or when they mature). I assume the leucy is a Texas? Will they come out looking like Texas rats with more orange in them?

Yes they are texas rat snakes that are already quite orange, so they will be a lot more orange as het's.

I will continue to breed High orange rats snakes and also high orange texas rat snakes. They will be a generic lucy rat snake that has high orange in it's blood line and as het's will be almost completely orange but they will not be texas rat snakes or everglades rat snakes but a mixture of the two plus a small amount of Black and Yellow ratsnake that has almost been completely bred out already from a Bubblegum line that I tossed the albino gene from (but it could still exist).

The orange snake pictured comes from a Bubblegum bred to an Everglades then one of it's babies bred to a Blotchless Everglades from dwight good.

Basically at this point you have a High Orange Ratsnake het for "blotchless".

Bred to a female Lucy Texas Ratsnake.

People can make all kinds of arguments. These are captive breed generic Ratsnakes that are outbreed to accentuate traits I like. All American rat snakes are the same (obsoleta) as far as I am concerned and If I polluting a bloodline in ones opinion I would say the Lucy line is a "bloodline" ?

For WHAT ?

FOR THIS??????????????????
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Genetics of color mutations in the snake, Elaphe obsoleta

H. Bernard Bechtel, and Elizabeth Bechtel

Dr. H. B. Bechtel's address is 2101 North Patterson Street, Valdosta, Georgia 31602; Mrs. Elizabeth Bechtel is assistant professor of biology, Valdosta State College, Valdosta, GA 31698. The authors wish to thank the following people for generously providing specimens: Lear Grimmer (National Zoo), Frank Groves (Baltimore Zoo), Hugh Quinn (Houston Zoo), David Jardine (Cincinnati Zoo), James Murphy (Dallas Zoo), and Jerry Williamson (Savannah Science Museum). Walter G. Brannen, associate professor of biology at Valdosta State College, reviewed the manuscript and gave helpful suggestions. This work was supported in part by a grant from Valdosta State College, Valdosta, Georgia 31698.

Abstract

The following snakes were located and acquired: two albino black rat snakes; one xanthic black rat snake, one hypopigmented black rat snake with phenotype not previously described; one leucistic Texas rat snake, one F1 wild-type black rat snake heterozygous for albinism, and one male and two female F1 wild-type Texas rat snakes heterozygous for albinism. Between 1975 and 1983 these snakes were subjected to various breeding combinations to determine their genetics. The results of 29 matings are summarized. All of the aberrant phenotypes were found to be autosomal recessive mutations. Allelic and nonallelic forms of albinism were found to exist in the black rat snake. The xanthic form of hypopigmentation was found to be tyrosinase—positive partial albinism. Leucism in the Texas rat snake appears to be associated with bilateral exophthalmos in some instances. The previously undescribed black rat snake phenotype was designated "brindle" because of its appearance. It appears to be a genetically determined alteration in the quantity or quality of pigment, or both, and it does not undergo ontogenetic loss of pattern. It is not a form of tyrosinase-positive albinism analogous to the xanthic phenotype.

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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

I found that from The American Genetic Ass. The journal of Heredity 1985 quite interesting also. I saw some nice pairs of brindles at the last Hamburg show. I may have to see if they are still there this show. Cheers Greg

Someone said it had something to do with that stuff...It's a very diferent Texas rat snakes then most I have seen.

>>I found that from The American Genetic Ass. The journal of Heredity 1985 quite interesting also. I saw some nice pairs of brindles at the last Hamburg show. I may have to see if they are still there this show. Cheers Greg
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Just curious with all this talk about orange, what if I were to mate a Leucistic Texas Rat Snake with sunglow (cornsnake)? Would the babies be all normal het albino,leucistic? Or would they be mixed with a little orange and white sort of like a bubblegum? Imagine the pretty babies these two could make?

ChrisErica, people frown badly upon what I am doing cause it's called intergrading subspecies. What you are suggesting is called Hybridization. The babies would be normal (if you call a corn/rat that) het for sun glow and het for lucy. If you bred them together you could get some mixture but from what I understand Leucism doesn't mix with other traits and is dominant (this gene anyway I think).

You would most likely get mixtures of normal hybrids, sun glow hybrids and lucy hybrids.

They may direct you to the Hybrid forum to dicuss that mixture of snakes.
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

I wouldn't do it, I was just curious what they would look like. Thanks

>>I wouldn't do it, I was just curious what they would look like. Thanks

I would not care if you did, but many probably would...
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

I truly believe you would not get a better looking lucy or a better looking corn snake then those you pictured..they are stunning..forgot to mention that!

>>>>I wouldn't do it, I was just curious what they would look like. Thanks
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>>I would not care if you did, but many probably would...
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>>Frank Roberts
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>>I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

Thanks for the compliment. I guess subconsciously, i'm getting itchy to be a first time breeder. Unfortunately I have three male corns and a female rat.

>>Thanks for the compliment. I guess subconsciously, i'm getting itchy to be a first time breeder. Unfortunately I have three male corns and a female rat.

That's understandable and do what u want!!!

They are your snakes!!
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Thanks,

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.