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mldolan Apr 11, 2008 07:00 AM

been doing a bit of research on this even talked to the humane society of america (laughably ignorant i might say) one question tho, how long can a python hold its breth underwter, vs an american alligator? as many of you know an alligator takes it prey and basically drowns it then stuffs it under a log till its good and "ripe" then eats it. even if its being squeezed by a constrictor it doesn't need to exhale thus rendering the main form of attack useless. it basically comes down to a breath holding contest.
also a quote from the humane society rep

"We recommend against reptiles as pets to protect public health and
safety, animal welfare, and the environment.

As you may know, reptiles carry Salmonella. In fact, reptiles and
amphibians account for about 6 percent of all cases of Salmonella in the
United States -- 74,000 cases per year. The U.S. Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention says reptiles should not be in homes with
children under five and people with weakened immune systems, who are
most susceptible. Reptiles also pose a risk of injury or even death. Two
men with experience caring for reptiles were killed by their pet pythons
in 2006.

Many people get reptiles thinking they will be low maintenance and are
overwhelmed with the care required. Animals may be kept in inadequate
conditions, abandoned to shelters, or simply let loose. Reptiles escaped
and released from the pet trade have established breeding populations in
places they are not native, such as the Burmese pythons in the
Everglades, endangering people, pets, and the local ecosystem.

Generally, reptiles are wild animals who fare best in their natural
habitat, not as pets."

my reply:
"thank you for taking the time to answer my e-mail i'm sure you are very busy, as a reptile owner i guess am a little biased on the subject, 6% seems a small fraction of total salmonella cases, however, those of us who practice proper husbandry i.e. sanitizing cages, using hand sanitizer, washing after handling anything that comes into contact with reptiles, are a vocal group among the reptile community and we teach newcomers proper ways to avoid contracting salmonella. as far as being killed by your own pets 2 instances 2 years ago seems a small number compared to those harmed my more conventional pets like dogs or other domesticated animals. i agree education is a key factor in obtaining a new pet. Reptile or not, the cost of the pet is minimal compared to the cost of maintaining the animal. I personally have spent over $300.00 in vet bills to treat a respiratory infection in a snake that cost $39.00. but when you take on an animal as a pet it becomes part of your family. i would no sooner deny my snake adequate medical care than i would any other member of my family.

As far as releasing reptiles into the wild 99% of pet reptiles come from areas where they simply cannot survive in north america, the southern tip of the florida everglades being the exception. I grew up there, and knew of many a pet lost to the local alligators, it is a shame when an invasive species becomes established. however knowing the mentality of the south florida locals if you tell them Burmese pythons taste like chicken, the problem may not end up being as bad as it otherwise could be. ..... a joke of course... something that would go a long way toward solving some of these problems is controlling the importation of these animals and to rely on local breeders to supply demand for reptile pets. most of the large chain pet stores will sell any one an animal in any condition and are responsible for the vast majority of importation of wild caught animals, where losses of 75% of the stock in transit is not uncommon and are decimating local populations of native species. Local breeders are much more knowledgeable in the care and well being of their stock and simply wont sell to a person not equipped to care for the animal. I guess I'll get off my soapbox, one last thought, just because it isn't cute and furry doesn't mean that its owner loves it any less.
thanks for listening
Mike

I hope i didn't speak out of turn or misrepresent anything in my statement. i probably could have stated things better. but i think i got my point across. what do you think?

mike
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..1 Jayne "The Hero of Canton", Ball Python
..1 Edmund Slackbladder, Mexican Kingsnake
..1 El Diablo "They haven't built a cage I can't get out of" Pueblan Milksnake
(Currently serving 25 to life in a Maryland Supermax
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Me; And finally monsieur a wafer thin pinkie
El Diablo: blaggh
Me: ah sir its only 1 leetle pink one
ED: ahh, sod off! I'm full
Me: ah sir hmm? its only wafer thin?
ED: bah! i couldn't eat another thing I'm absolutely stuffed. bugger off!
Me: ah sir, sir just ...just one......?
ED: ok just one
Me just the one.
Me: voila!
Me: bon appetite!.......

Replies (10)

dekaybrown Apr 11, 2008 10:34 AM

Right on!!

I have to agree.

although I am fast learning that some of the online sellers who run classified ads you know where, can spin a yarn as well.

It is a sad state of affairs when most people would rather join a forum, and ask a bunch of strangers for medical advice rather than go to the vet. (usually when the animal is so far gone, death hovers right around the corner)

Retics and Burms are constantly listed at around 50 bucks, color morphs excluded, so any dingaling with a few bucks to spend can have an animal that lives forever, grows 30 feet and poops like a cow all over the floor.

I'm not sure if a thousand dollar price tag would end that, but it would certainly reduce the numbers.....

Peace,
Wayne
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More herps than I could ever list out back on the land.

LarryF Apr 11, 2008 11:28 AM

>>...one question tho, how long can a python hold its breth underwter, vs an american alligator?

I've definitely seen a 10 foot burmese python sit motionless and fully submerged in a pool for 45 minutes, which is probably around the same range as a small/medium alligator.

I would think they would be about evenly matched in that regard.

As to which species would win out if left to their own devices:
I'm sure they both eat eachother's young.
Any alligator over 10 feet is probably too big for any size burm to eat, and more than capable of killing any size burm.
Alligators can live frther north than I think burms can.

I give the advantage to the gators.

And no offense to any burm keepers here, but why is hunting them for food a joke? That sounds perfectly reasonable to me. The state (like many others) actually STOCKS the canals with exotic fish, although I think they're starting to see the problem with that...
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What goes up must come down...unless it exceeds escape velocity.

mldolan Apr 11, 2008 11:43 AM

I put the joke comment in there because i was dealing with the humane society, of course hunting them for food is very viable, a 200 LB burm is practically all meat not to mention their skins, burm skin makes great leather. I really don't think we have much to worry about with burms invading florida, they are basically filling the exact same niche as gators, and will probably end up balancing out in the end. also i dug up a little more research. a gator can actually spend a couple of hours under water as long as it is not too active. don't know how smart gators are but if they get hit by a burm (and they are big enough) they could just dive to the bottom and wait out the python. not sure if a python can actually begin to feed underwater tho. all hypothetical of course. being a native floridian i always root for he gator. anyone ever eat burmese python meat? maybe we could get some folks together and go burm hunting.
mmmmm python...
just a thought
Mike
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..1 Jayne "The Hero of Canton", Ball Python
..1 Edmund Slackbladder, Mexican Kingsnake
..1 El Diablo "They haven't built a cage I can't get out of" Pueblan Milksnake
(Currently serving 25 to life in a Maryland Supermax
______________________________________________________

Me; And finally monsieur a wafer thin pinkie
El Diablo: blaggh
Me: ah sir its only 1 leetle pink one
ED: ahh, sod off! I'm full
Me: ah sir hmm? its only wafer thin?
ED: bah! i couldn't eat another thing I'm absolutely stuffed. bugger off!
Me: ah sir, sir just ...just one......?
ED: ok just one
Me just the one.
Me: voila!
Me: bon appetite!.......

LarryF Apr 11, 2008 03:19 PM

I don't know for sure, but I suspect the several hours figure is for a very large alligator. That's why I compared my 10 foot burm to a smller alligator, but I am sort of guessing.

And yes, a burm can eat underwater if he feels like it.
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What goes up must come down...unless it exceeds escape velocity.

Paul Hollander Apr 15, 2008 12:00 PM

I've had reticulated python. A friend got a couple of Vietnamese recipes and tried them out. Quite tasty. And yes, python does taste like chicken.

Paul Hollander

anuraanman Apr 11, 2008 02:09 PM

there was of course this article from a while back that speaks to the "who will win" question...
Link

Hollychan Apr 21, 2008 05:58 PM

Dude! You think I could hire "Python Pete" to track Lizzie? Maybe find her, finally?

^_^
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Holly

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Stregone Apr 11, 2008 09:34 PM

FYI the humane society of america is basicaly a branch of PETA. They aren't affiliated with local humane societies though.
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HydraZulu Apr 21, 2008 01:16 PM

Are you sure they're not all related? The humane society by my place is filled by morons. They were afraid of a parakeet there, that they thought was vicious. I called them on that, and took it into a room for 10 minutes. They came in about 15 minutes after i had disappeared behind the door, and found a perfectly calm and happy parakeet on my shoulder. Oh, btw, they got the sex wrong on it, too. I was kinda hoping that they were all one group, cause otherwise it means idiocy is spreading faster than rumors.
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-Jacob

Knowledge is gained by asking the question "Why?", but true wisdom only comes from asking "Why not?". -Me

Stinky15 Apr 19, 2008 08:08 AM

Right on the money!

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