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Here is a baby born last night in a litter from a pink panther VPI caramel albino x super ghost. So theoretically she is a pink panther, orangetail hypo, het caramel albino, het anery! We need to get these babies shed and see how they compare with triple hets from a male straight VPI caramel albino x female ghost. I picked this snake because she reminded me of one of Jeff's mini patterned snakes!

quadruple het boa entry

And a genetic monster too!

Keep it up Tracy...

Jared
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Congrats!! Those are beauties! I am waiting to see your June litter! Good luck!

Andy
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WOW! Congrats Tracy! Absolutely awesome - cannot wait to see them after their first shed. What a great way to start the day!!!! You have outdone yourself! Those babies have some crazy POTENTIAL!!!! Dave is drooling. Bet what will show up on his next Christmas list!
B. J.
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Way cool Tracy, now to breed that back and get some....what would you call that other than awesome? Not to mention the odds are just a wee bit difficult to calculate??

Lets see, not sure on the enetic inheritance of pink panther so will run it both ways...

Pink Panther (recessive) x orangetail hypo x caramel albino x anery =
1/4 x 1/2 x 1/4 x 1/4 = 1/128 or 0.8%

Pink Panther (dominant) x orangetail hypo x caramel albino x anery =
1/2 x 1/2 x 1/4 x 1/4 = 1/64 or 1.6%
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

D'oh, did the dominant factors wrong, calculated as het x normal not het x het so...

Pink Panther (recessive) x orangetail hypo x caramel albino x anery =
1/4 x 3/4 x 1/4 x 1/4 = 3/256 or 1.2%

Pink Panther (dominant) x orangetail hypo x caramel albino x anery =
3/4 x 3/4 x 1/4 x 1/4 = 9/256 or 3.5%
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

That's a beautiful Hypo with huge genetics Tracy.Congrats.lar m
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Boas By Klevitz

Congrats Tracy! Awesome looking little baby packed with genetic power!

John

I might have missed it, but I don't think so. Have you or anyone else made a VPI T-Positive Hypo or "T-Glow" yet? If not, will you be having some this year? I hope I didn't miss that one. I know some people think talking about it jinxes you so if you can't answer I understand.

Great looking baby almost looks T-Positive in it's own right. Beautiful!
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Congratulations on a great litter. Is the pink panther a proven recessive trait; I know it is genetic from your breedings but didn't know the mode of inhereitance.
Bill

Those are beautiful, Tracy. Love your T pos stuff, guess I'm going to have to start saving up! (and I just want an ol' everyday, run-of-the-mill, VPI T pos...as if there was such a thing...) Congrats!

Mark
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uncommonboa.com

Very attractive boa, with a great mix of morphs! Can't think of a better 4 way combo yet!
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Gilbert Boas
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Congratulations on an awesome genetic wonder.
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Ty
Rat Race Solutions
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a pair of these together! Maybe one of you industrious people could write that out for us! The pink panther is a dominant trait. So the results of a orange tail hypo pinkpanther het caramel albino het anery x the same. That is two dominants and two recessive traits per snake bred to each other.

Ran it through my calculator....

Probable offspring genetics

% expressed traits

9/256 - 3.52% Pink Panther, Orangetail Hypo, Albino, Anery
3/256 - 1.17% Orangetail Hypo, Albino, Anery
3/256 - 1.17% Pink Panther, Albino, Anery
27/256 - 10.55% Pink Panther, Orangetail Hypo, Anery
1/256 - 0.39% Albino, Anery
9/256 - 3.52% Orangetail Hypo, Anery
9/256 - 3.52% Pink Panther,Anery
3/256 - 1.17% Anery
27/256 - 10.55% Pink Panther, Orangetail Hypo, Albino
9/256 - 3.52% Orangetail Hypo, Albino
9/256 - 3.52% Pink Panther, Albino
3/256 - 1.17% Albino
81/256 - 31.64% Pink Panther, Orangetail Hypo
27/256 - 10.55% Orangetail Hypo
27/256 - 10.55% Pink Panther
9/256 - 3.52% normal

Each of the babies that show pink panther and/or orangetail hypo are 33% pos super.

Each of the babies that do not show Albino and/or Anery are 66% het for the non expressed trait.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

I'm going to bed!
jb
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Jonathan Brady
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That is hysterical!!! OK meet back here in 4 years and let's see how we do!!! Thanks that was very nice of you!!

np, hardest part was re-formatting to output into something I could post. I made a spreadsheet based morph calculator that can handle up to four morphs, recessive or dominant.

Wait a second, I think you posted Pink Pnather was recessive, not dominant? I'll run it over since I made it dominant before. Same possible phenotypic outcomes but the individual odds are different. OK, time me....9:25 now!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

3/256 - 1.17% Pink Panther, Oreangetail Hypo, Albino, Anery
9/256 - 3.52% Oreangetail Hypo, Albino, Anery
1/256 - 0.39% Pink Panther, Albino, Anery
9/256 - 3.52% Pink Panther, Oreangetail Hypo, Anery
3/256 - 1.17% Albino, Anery
27/256 - 10.55% Oreangetail Hypo, Anery
3/256 - 1.17% Pink Panther,Anery
9/256 - 3.52% Anery
9/256 - 3.52% Pink Panther, Orangetail Hypo, Albino
27/256 - 10.55% Orangetail Hypo, Albino
3/256 - 1.17% Pink Panther, Albino
9/256 - 3.52% Albino
27/256 - 10.55% Pink Panther, Orangetail Hypo
81/256 - 31.64% Orangetail Hypo
9/256 - 3.52% Pink Panther
27/256 - 1.55% normal

9:30 and most (and I really mean MOST of the time spent typing the results in)
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

"Mr.Wizard"
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Boas By Klevitz

got tired of scratching out punnet squares on paper so figured a way to code it into a spreadsheet. Can handle up to four morphs and recessive or dominant only but is fast.

Still faster for a single outcome to do it in my head. (unless the spreadsheet is already open) Very simple actually, take each morph seperately. Using this example to figure out the odds on getting a Pink Panther/Orangetail hypo, albino, anery there are four factors...
Pink Panther - recessive - het x het = 1/4
Orangetail hypo - dominant - het x het = 3/4
Albino - recessive - het x het = 1/4
Anery - recessive - het x het = 1/4

Then just multiply the factors...

1/4 x 3/4 x 1/4 x 1/4 = 3/256

Enough fun with fractions and morphs, off to bed for me...zzzzz...
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Ahh Semi-geek.........

Don't you mean all geek, I mean you work for *** for goodness sakes!

Geek!

PS Can I get that file? Please? I'm a geek too.......
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Jeremy

"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds" July 16, 1945 Robert Oppenheimer

0.1 Snow "Khal" RTB
1.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow RTB's
1.0 Hypomelenistic RTB's
0.2 Pastel Hypo RTB's
0.1 Suriname RTB
0.1 Anerthrystic RTB
3.1 Red Bearded Dragon's
1.0 Ball Python
1.1 Cream Golden Retrieviers
1.0 Pomeriaian
0.3 Catus Terribilis
0.1 Spouse
1.0.1 Child

Well, I'm just not that good enough to rate a full geek status!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Dave, she did say that the Pink Panther was dominant.

Quoted from previous post: "The pink panther is a dominant trait." - Tracy Barker
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Gilbert Boas
The Boa List!

Can't wait till you produce a T Ghost.
Will it be purple??

Mike
Boas Etc