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UVB needed?

JeffK Apr 16, 2008 03:45 PM

i know that this has been brought up before but i cant find where. does a leo need any uvb? also what kind of heat should i use. i want to use a heating pad but the tank will be on a plywood and i dont want to risk starting a fire. any help would be great. or a good website. thanks!
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Jeff Kearney
Orlando, FL

2.7.0 Bearded Dragons (Too many to name)
1.0.0 Mali Uromastyx (Rex)
2.2.0 Ball Python (Ali, Gator, Para, Medic)
1.1.1 Leopard Gecko (Peanut, Almond, Iggy)
1.1.0 Fat-Tailed Gecko (Freddy, Brownie)
0.0.1 Corn Snake (Not sure yet)
0.0.2 Blue Phase Dumpys Tree Frog (Sticky, Squishy)

Replies (6)

sleepygecko Apr 16, 2008 09:30 PM

A heating padded enclosure would need to be raised off whatever surface you put it on to prevent warping anyways, so if we are just talking that the table/ shelf/ whatever is plywood it would be ok. I would be careful though, resins in wood such as pine can be dangerous to geckos in general. The UTH will come with little feet for lifting, or many people use stacks of cardboard pieces. UTH will be essential for night heating, belly heat is important for digestion.

As for daylight, you have hit on the grand argument of the internet. I did my own experiment and will never go back. I bought a visible spectrum with UVB light and tried it on a young gecko. Three days later he was eating far more and had more than double the energy. We have never used anything else since. Many people will argue that leos are nocturnal and don't need such light. I would guess they don't watch their geckos much. In the wild, leos hunt at dusk and dawn and DO get exposed to sunlight regularly. Our leos have always mimicked this activity by getting up a bit before "sundown," getting a drink and doing a few inspection laps to make sure their enclosure is secure. Our geckos will also sometimes sun, even just a tail, while they are asleep.

You will find conflicting opinions all over the internet, but I can tell you having taken our leo to the vet last week, the vet and the herp tech did backflips when they saw the picture of her setup and found out we use UV daylight. They both think it is very important and probably a good part of the reason our little girl isn't so little and very feisty even with egg problems.

In the end it is up to you. Good luck.
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0.1 Albino Leo Gecko
0.1 Crested Gecko
1.0 Dear Boyfriend
Departed: Harvey and Spock

geckomill Apr 17, 2008 03:01 PM

Awfully bold of your vet to say they believe uvb radiation is very important for a leopard gecko. Hobbyists however are entitled to their own opinion on lighting requirements in leopard geckos. I would not compromise proper husbandry under any circumstance as i take a lot of pride in my leopard gecko collection. I think a good insect diet with a calcium that has a proper d3 content is ideal for a leopard gecko. either way i think if you do recommend uvb lighting it is important to address the need of a dark hiding spot were the gecko can completely escape light and also a photo period of no more than 12-14 hours a day. hope this helps

geckomill Apr 17, 2008 03:05 PM

oh yea, i like the exo terra desert 8 watt heat pad for 10 and 20 gallon tanks(not stuck to the bottom but loosely fit between the tank and your dresser) Any heating element capable of burning wood is too hot for most living things

sleepygecko Apr 18, 2008 08:20 PM

Please explain your meaning behind the comment, "Awfully bold of your vet to say they believe uvb radiation is very important for a leopard gecko" I thought everyone is entitled to their beliefs (no matter their education) and their own experimental results as I shared mine.

I may have been lax in mentioning a dark hide is important, however I felt it was a fundamental requirement of all gecko setups no matter what, if any, light is used. It is for the safety and comfort of the gecko and I admit, I just assumed every good owner would have at least one hide as per universally accepted husbandry standards.

I believe I stated that there are some debates and why and then gave my opinion and observations as well as an interesting story of our most recent vet visit. Yet I have read your post several times now and cannot stop feeling that you have some venom against what I said beyond just disagreeing with light or supplementation.
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0.1 Albino Leo Gecko
0.1 Crested Gecko
1.0 Dear Boyfriend
Departed: Harvey and Spock

geckomill Apr 19, 2008 01:36 PM

I am not looking for a fight with you. Its obvious we both care a lot about what we do and feel that what we are doing for our animals is right wether or not we agree on levels of husbandry. I just think a herp vet earns their title through years of education and practicing by strict guidelines based on the studies that have been proven over years of research. I will admit that the benefit of ultraviolet radiation is unproven in leopard geckos but the fact is that they do not need it to thrive if your diet and temperature are correct. I will share a story of my own and i hope my opinion will make more sense. I had my first colony of geckos about 3 years ago and was keeping them in a glass cage. I asked someone wether or not my geckos needed uvb lighting and they said that they dont require it but its ok to use if i like. Wanting to do everything in my power to set my geckos up the best way possible i bought a reptisun 10.0 and ran it 12 hours a day using only the hides that had worked for my original male for years prior. All of my geckos did great except for my albino that stopped eating and decided to live under the sand. Now i know that 20 microwatts per sq. inch of ultra-violet radiation is too much for a gecko deficient in melanin. I just think that there are a lot of buts to consider when using artificial lighting on a nocturnal animal. The original question was asked in a manner that seemed like they were setting up their first gecko and others personal experience may benefit this person. I just wish i was told about these risks before i compromised my animals well being in an attempt to help them. Again, this was not a personal attack. I just think that my opinion was an important one to adress. Take care

sleepygecko Apr 19, 2008 11:50 PM

Of course no fights are in order. I just didn't understand why you seemed to defend the right of the hobbyist to have an opinion, but not a vet. To me, a vet who has done their own observations gets high marks in my book vs one that just "goes by the book." Of course, that could have more to do with some bad experiences I have had with vets until I found one who could actually hold a leo properly, much less treat it.

Everyone's mileage may vary in just about all things we talk about here, I think that is a fact of life.
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0.1 Albino Leo Gecko
0.1 Crested Gecko
1.0 Dear Boyfriend
Departed: Harvey and Spock

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