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Parasites/worms.. treating them may not be the best thing!! PLEASE READ...long

CheriS Aug 29, 2003 09:22 PM

Intestinal Parasites/Worms May Prove Beneficial

When I got an email a short time ago about treating beardies, I was in the middle of a research I wanted to do. The increase in dragons with poor immune systems and also with diseases such as diabetes have increased dramatically in the United States the past few years. Why? We thought that inbreeding with the small gene pool was a factor, I still do, but there is also another factor that can not be ignored. I am not finished yet, but what I have put together so far I thought I should share with you. Can you imagine that we are taking TOO good of care of our dragons? Keeping them too clean internally and by doing that, not allowing them to develop the normal T cell development they would have.

In treating dragons whenever the slightest thing shows on a fecal, we may be causing far more harm than good and actually allowing a far more serious disease a foothold in our animals. Are we missing a link in the "hygiene" hypothesis that is being advance by many University and Medical School. Several studies have been conducted and results are really surprising. Below I am going to just list a few and the URL's to them, most these deal with humans, some mice, but the surprising thing is that many of these studies are introducing the same or similar parasites/worms to cure disease, that we are knocking out of our animals!!

With increasing public health, a "hygiene" hypothesis has been advanced, particularly directed at asthma and type 1 diabetes(60). It is hypothesized that as the environment becomes "cleaner" the normal development of the immune system is disrupted (e.g. regulatory T cell development is subnormal) resulting in increases of both presumed Th2 (asthma) and Th1 (Type 1 diabetes) mediated diseases. For instance, one review discusses decreasing pinworm infection as a potential factor.
www.endotext.org/diabetes/diabetes5/diabetes5.htm

Helminths inhibit the development of atopic disease via induction of regulatory T cells and secretion of Il-10, and pinworms inhibit diabetes development in the non-obese diabetic (NOD) mouse. The most successful human helminth of the western world is the pinworm. Their decline in response to improved living conditions might explain a number of features of the epidemiology of childhood atopy and diabetes.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12032638&dopt=Abstract

From By Andy Newman
New York Times

For most of the Western history, the average child walked around with a bellyfull of parasitic worms: pinworms, tapeworms, hookworms. Then modern civilization came along,put shoes on the childrens feet, installed sewers and stopped using human waste as fertilizer, and the worms almost disappeared.

But there may be a downside to all this hygiene. Children in industrialized countries, which are relatively worm free, have a greater tendency than those in other countries to grow into adults with autoimmune disorders, in which the body makes antibodies that can cause disease: rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, lupus, inflammatory bowel disease.

Maybe this is a coincidence, but maybe not.Recently, researchers at the University of Iowa gave a drink containing the eggs of helminths, a parasitic worm, to six people suffering from acute, chronic inflammatory bowel disease. Five went into remission, and the sixth improved substantially.

None got sick from the worms; all relapsed after the worms left their system. "Every one of those patients is begging to be re-treated," said the lead researcher, Dr. Joel Weinstock.

Research on Potential Helminthic Therapy of Inflammatory Bowel Disease
Joel Weinstock M.D., David Elliott, M.D., Robert Summers, M.D., Khurram Qadir, M.D.
Experiments conducted by Dr. David Elliott, et al at the University of Iowa using mice with experimental inflammatory bowel disease showed that helminthic worms protected the animals from this disease.

Digestive disease specialists at the University of Iowa are now organizing additional clinical trials to gain additional data and knowledge about this potential treatment of inflammatory bowel disease. Helminths are not being used as a routine clinical treatment for patients with inflammatory bowel disease. The encouraging results of the initial research must be tested and substantiated by further research. Therefore, we are only using this agent under a strictly controlled research protocol.

Developed countries have a larger by 50 times the amount of diabetes in children and gut related diseases in adults, yet the most undeveloped ones such as China and Africa have the smallest per capita of the same diseases. Can it be related to "hygiene" hypothesis? It makes sense! Another study took 50 adults that were not responding to traditional diabetes medications to control it, after induction of pinworms, more than 1/2 had normal blood sugar levels....... lets not toss out the meds and start drinking pinworms, but follow up research is certainly warranted.

So...... do we treat or not, obviously if the animal's health is being compromised, there is no doubt we should, but I think we all need to think real hard on treating an animal that shows something on a fecal float or smear when there are no other symptoms present. We know so little about host or symbiotic relationships in animals and even less in bearded dragons.. if its not broken, lets think hard about it and talk to our vets about NOT fixing it. This is something that you can take to your vet and discuss, most I have found are very willing to listen if you have documentation with you by respected researchers and it is an ongoing education for them.

Originally printed on Reptile Rooms, updates will appear there

Replies (9)

LauraV Aug 29, 2003 10:33 PM

Keep us posted please.
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azteclizard Aug 29, 2003 10:48 PM

wow! what a revelation! Just think, when I mentioned about Douglas Mader's comments on pinworms being benificial, I got scoffed at. Dr. Mader talks about this in a recent issue of Reptiles in the veterinarian Q & A column.
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lissag25 Aug 29, 2003 11:21 PM

i understand the hygiene theory and agree with most of it.. but a few points still bother me...all of my life i have had severe asthma and allergies so i understand and have dealt with immune problems.. but this is a relatively new theory.. ten years ago i was told to wrap all of my pillows and mattresses in a plastic covering in case of dust mites, also to not have carpeted floors, curtains, or ceiling fans. as well as not playing in the grass, not drinking milk , and not eating sugar, not to have indoor dogs or cats, no smoking ... the list is endless and it didn't work..now nearly ten years later there is a new approach.. inject me with the very thing that bothers me to counter act my immune systems reaction to certian discomforts....but do i believe that is working..no...i still react to allergies and especially where it is injected..this article also leaves out how many children full of worms develop diseases... also it doesn't take into account the great number of people in third world countries that have these ailments but don't have the money or a doctor available to diagonis...it also doesn't take into acount how many people with immune problems are born that way (me). is this something generic...with asthma ..it is debatable.. and are worms or parasites passed on in breast milk...so later one in infancy or young childhood they do not develop immune defiencies like in america..but with all that said.. i do beleive we are "too clean". we simply haven't built up enough power against diseases because we do not encounter enough bacteria and parasites...or we over compensate with medication when it does come.. we as a civilazation has evolved but are immune system is lagging... as far as the diabetes go.. i think it has something to do with how many carbs we eat espacially corn or corn meal.. but that is d2...i still cant in my mind cop all immuno diseases to a lack of parasites.. especially lupus or ms... or asthma and pinworms in a lot of these studies probably help ailments because they are gut or sugar related.. not because they are affecting the immune system.. imo..did they give d2 diabetes patients the pinworms as well.. and how was there diabetes affected??? all things to think about...i would love to see a study in with pinworms helped out lupus or ms patients..

so to wrap this up.. am i going to stop treating my dragons (bearded or otherwise) for parasites... maybe.. maybe not.... it gives me something to think about all weekend long..thanks cheri... that was a great post...

i do not have article to link to any of my references just personal knowledge or opionion.

alissa

Pennebaker Aug 30, 2003 10:54 AM

I have had a similar experience. Out of nowhere I developed "deadly" allergies (you know, throat swells shut, etc etc). Never had any problems before in my life. I'm also the cleanest I've ever been in my life. Doc basically tells me that is the problem--I'm too clean and basically the cells get "bored" and start to attack things that they do not need to and shouldnt.
Makes me think about picking up smoking again, LOL.
Dana

CheriS Aug 30, 2003 11:21 AM

internal fungal infection hiding in the body. Diseases such as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS), Fibromyalgia and Leaky Gut Syndrome (discovered to be mostly fungal based) have had symptoms and allergies disappear when treated with internal fungal meds.

I can not remember the name of the one drug that was used on CFS patients, I will have to look around for it, but its's like $120 a tablet for 6 tablets. When given to them, some developed sores on the skin at joint locations, this was the fungus that was residing in their joints exiting, it took several weeks to clear their bodies, but all symptoms of CFS disappeared along with the healing of the sores. I got to see one of the patients during treatment and after, it was nothing short of remarkable, she had suffered with this for 9 years and now for the past 3 been cleared, she is like a totally different person.

The same with people who developed adult allergies after antibiotic treatments, research pinpointed many of the problems to be gut fungal infections(from the antibiotics) that was eating tiny holes through the lining of the intestines and allowing some stomach juices to escape into the abdominal cavity. The body saw it was alien and created antibodies to fight them. If there was a certain food in those juices, the body became allergic to those foods. Once the fungus was treated and gone, so were the allergies.

I just find interesting how many problems or diseases are related back to a prior treatment for something else. We all have to remember that the digestive tract is a fine balance of many bacteria, yeast and possibly parasites working together. They have evolved to a symbiotic relationship in many cases and if we remove one or many in tyring to remove one.... what else are we doing and what steps can we take to counter that.

Whether mammal or reptile, I am throughly convinced, no living thing should be given any antibiotics without also advised to take probiotics with them.

Pennebaker Aug 31, 2003 10:14 AM

Oh, so that is what that yellow fungus seeping from my skin is--LOL! Just joking.
Pretty wild.
dana

meretseger Aug 30, 2003 12:19 AM

Parasites don't kill. Stress kills. Reptiles taken from the wild are often quickly killed by parasites that they were co-exsisting with quite nicely before they were captured.
I treat my animals IF they're sympomatic, but my vet will deworm them sometimes without even asking. Ever since I found out that flagyl is a carcinogen, I'm going to yell at him next time.

Pennebaker Aug 30, 2003 10:49 AM

This is something that I've thought for sometime.

Keep up the great work!
I'll be giving this link out!

Dana

B22 Aug 30, 2003 05:26 PM

HHHH

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